Match 15: CHI-BOL - MARRUFO (USA)

Discussion in 'Copa América 2016 - Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 10, 2016.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Country:
    United States
    Friday June 10, 2016 - 7:00 (EDT) - Foxborough
    Referee: Jair Marrufo

    Assistant Referee 1: Corey Rockwell @coreyrock
    Assistant Referee 2: Peter Manikowski
    Fourth Official: Armando Villarreal

    This thread is for all pre-match, play-by-play and post-match discussion and analysis of the refereeing team. Per the forum guidelines (http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/welcome-forum-guidelines.2032251/), this thread will be heavily moderated. For more general or partisan discussions of the match, please go to the general Group thread or the individual team forums.
     
  2. IARef96

    IARef96 Member

    Oct 19, 2010
    Clive, IA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Country:
    United States
    USA! USA! USA!
     
  3. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It seems like most crews have had a 4th from another country. Any idea why tonight sees an all american crew?
     
  4. thearbiter

    thearbiter Member

    May 24, 2007
    Albucrackee
    Not a good start by either Marrufo or Manikowski
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Country:
    United States
    Don't think there was too much rhyme or reason. But Villarreal is there as a reserve so he's going to do a few 4ths in the first round. Always a chance this would happen.

    Great persistent infringement caution from Marrufo early on (the type that gets classified as UB; multiple fouls by multiple players).

    It was close, but I think Manikowski would want the offside in the 6' back. Player looked to be in his own half when the ball was played.
     
  6. thearbiter

    thearbiter Member

    May 24, 2007
    Albucrackee
    No PI for #2? Bar was set low on the first one. Now he doesn't want to give the second one in the first 15. This one would have been better.
     
  7. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
  8. oldmanreferee

    oldmanreferee Member

    Dec 28, 2005
    Mountain View, ca
    It was close, but I think Manikowski would want the offside in the 6' back. Player looked to be in his own half when the ball was played.[/QUOTE]
    was he in his own half or on the center line??? remember they are using the new law changes. center line is Neutral
     
  9. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    I thought he was in his own half on first look.
     
  10. Bradley Smith

    Bradley Smith Member

    Jul 29, 2013
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Country:
    United States
    This is not actually a change in law or interpretation. They just changed the language to clarify. Previously, the laws said this:

    So the halfway line technically belonged to both halves, but it — as the common test question asked — belonged to the attacking team for the purposes of offside. The attacker would still be in his own half. You can imagine how this is unclear/confusing. Hence the rewrite, which now says this:

    Much clearer, but same outcome (and not really a change in law as a result).

    Now in this case, the freeze frame on the broadcast appears to be a split second too early. The attacker may have been leaning over the halfway line by the time the ball was played, which is why it was flagged. Incredibly close and almost impossible to tell from the angles we have. I'd go with the AR over the commentators (and Dr. Joe) any day.
     
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  11. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    Not only all-American, but two from South Texas!

    PH
     
  12. bhooks

    bhooks Member

    Apr 14, 2015
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Looks like the players forgot how a dropped ball works.

    Marrufo blew the whistle, dropped the ball and the keeper just let it sit with no one coming to challenge. To me it looks like the players are complaining the keeper is taking to long to play, but anyone can go up and challenge him. Jair also looked like he was trying to point and say "you can go play!"


    Really odd situation to end the half.
     
  13. Tigerpunk

    Tigerpunk Member

    Jun 17, 2004
    So.... the two handballs and the Sanchez trip.... not sure about the handballs, but the Sanchez trip looked like a clear PK.
     
  14. PlayTheWhistle

    Jul 6, 2015
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Time for a discussion of:
    Bicycle kicks
    Handling/Penalty
    Match management in the closing minutes!

    The last ten minutes are often the most challenging
     
  15. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator
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    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Country:
    United States
    Today those last ten minutes were about 22 minutes long. :)
     
  16. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    So a rather forceful kick to the head is not a send off? I would guess Cakir would have pulled out a red card on that one.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Country:
    United States
    So, I amend my remarks above about the 6'. Looking at this replay, with a better angle, I think a portion of the body is in the attacking half. I think Manikowski got this right, despite the caption for this video:



    I would say caution for that bicycle kick, not a send off. The Cakir incident from a few years ago is a lot different in my eyes.

    We will almost certainly have to wait awhile, but when the tournament is concluded, maybe we'll get some inside info from one of the ARs on some of the major decision points from this match.
     
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  18. thearbiter

    thearbiter Member

    May 24, 2007
    Albucrackee
    Manikowski buries Jair on that one. Jair doesn't want it but the flag leaves him with a difficult choice. Jair should have gone with his gut.

    This crew is done.
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Country:
    United States
    Saying absolutely nothing about the penalty call, we're at a 31-game tournament with, we've now learned, 19 referees. And Marrufo's crew comes into the tournament as the #2 American crew. This was likely their only match no matter what happened tonight.
     
  20. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    After missing the other one though, maybe two wrongs make a right?
     
  21. Midwest Ref

    Midwest Ref Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    Manikowski did his job. I think this is a penalty. I also agree the Jair did not want it, because his m.o. for years has been to avoid making major decisions unless he has no choice.
     
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  22. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    There are plenty of reasons why that should not have been a PK. Thee are also some reasons why it should be a PK.
    Many PKs are very clear, and have NO reasons why they should not be given. I think that in other cases this would not be called, and I agree that Manikowski forced Marrufo into it. This was unlike the PK in the France match today were the AAR confirmed the incident for Kassai, and there were no reasons not to give that one. Kassai may have called it anyway without the AARs assistance, and he certainly did not have a problem with making the call.
    I am not sure that is the case for Marrufo. But kudos to him for accepting it and dealing with the uproar.

    PH
     
  23. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    The penalty seemed 50-50. I can see it either way. What I couldn't believe was how physical the Bolivia players got with Marrufo after the call. He was being manhandled. That is absolutely unacceptable and I hope there are repercussions for that.
     
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  24. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Referee needs to help himself there by issuing a red card for AL or contact with an official.
     
  25. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Agreed. Until referees start looking out for themselves nothing will change.
     

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