Match 14: TUN : ENG - ROLDAN (COL)

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  1. code1390

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    #1 code1390, Jun 17, 2018
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    Match #14
    Tunisia : England
    Monday, 18 June 2018
    21:00 local time (14:00 EDT)
    Volgograd

    Referee: Wilman Roldan (COL)
    AR1: Alexander Guzman (COL)
    AR2: Cristian De La Cruz (COL)
    Fourth Official: Ricardo Montero (CRC)
    Reserve AR: Hiroshi Yamauchi (JPN)


    Video Assistant Referee: Sandro Ricci (BRA)
    AVAR1: Gary Vargas (BOL)
    AVAR2: Emerson De Carvalho (BRA)
    AVAR3: Tiago Lopes Martins (POR)
     
  2. code1390

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    Video Assistant Referee: Sandro Ricci (BRA)
    AVAR1: Gary Vargas (BOL)
    AVAR2: Emerson De Carvalho (BRA)
    AVAR3: Tiago Lopes Martins (POR)
     
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  3. MassachusettsRef

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    Roldan was a big name going into 2014, but had a tough tournament. Poor communication with AR led to wrongly disallowing a Mexico goal. The decision was so poor that his AR1 got dropped from the trio for Roldan's second match.

    Then in his second match he missed a very early penalty for Algeria. It's good he's back with another shot and he'll be wanting to perform a lot better than in Brazil.
     
  4. code1390

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    Excellent start from AR2.
     
  5. Sport Billy

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    Far side AR looking a bit slow so far.
     
  6. code1390

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    Like in terms of sprint speed?
     
  7. Sport Billy

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    Hard to say.
    Something just doesn’t look right.
    He’s making correct calls, but his movements look desperate as if he not getting a good read on when the ball is being played.

    I’ll give it some time.
    It just looks strange
     
  8. ColoradoRef

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    GOOD PK decision. And YC. Well done.
     
  9. code1390

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    Good PK decision.

    I don't think VAR would have recommended an OFR if it wasn't given though.
     
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  10. Pittsburgh Ref

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    41'

    Did Roldan really just grab that TUN player by the upper arm?
     
  11. aphelorah

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    Agree regarding the PK decision. It seems like a lot of small fouls are going uncalled. Hard to tell if they're trifling without replay. We'll see if that leads to disciplinary issues later.
     
  12. aphelorah

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    That was an embarrassing bit of time wasting by Tunisia.
     
  13. Rufusabc

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    If you call that, you have to then call EVERYTHING in the area. Which, clearly, they are not going to do. Real marginal call.
     
  14. Geko

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    Kyle Walker elbowing the face of a Tunisian was marginal? I don't think you're going to get much agreement here.

    I will say, however, I have no clue how this goes unpunished:

    Even if the rest of the match is flawless, I don't think Roldan et al are going to stick around for long.
     
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  15. code1390

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    The Kane one should have been an OFR. I'm sure FIFA has told VARs to have a really high standard when it comes to holding in the penalty area, but that was a rugby tackle.
     
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  16. fairplayforlife

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    While I don’t disagree this could be called a foul, how do we also ignore the blatant push happening in the foreground which would have gone in favor of Tunisia?
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

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    Not sure that's on Roldan, though. Of course, in the old days it was. But even then, the hold is before the ball nears the drop zone, so you can sort of excuse the referee getting his eyes there a split second after the takedown occurs and not being 100% certain that Kane was fouled (rather than it being, say, mutual grappling that leads to both players tumbling).

    VARs are there for a reason, though. If that isn't a penalty via VR, then it's hard to imagine there will be any penalties awarded via VAR for holding on corner kicks.
     
  18. aphelorah

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    With the ball sailing well overhead and the force not even enough to bring the defender down, I'd say that's pretty easy to ignore, especially compared to the rugby tackle in the background.
     
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  19. code1390

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    After watching the replays from the BBC at halftime, I'm going to state that I think this is the first major error from VAR.

    And of course it goes against England.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

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    The same way we ignore the blatant push that led to the Swiss goal yesterday!.

    Plus, in this case, I think there's way less force than you likely imagine. The slo-mo makes it seem much more dramatic. Watch that in real-time and it is barely noticeable. If there is any sort of significant force there, the defender goes to ground to sell the call. As it stands, he takes maybe an extra half step in the direction he was already moving. That doesn't need to be a foul at this level. When you add in the fact that the ball dropped some 8+ yards away, it's definitely not a foul.
     
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  21. fairplayforlife

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    It might not have had the same amount of force as the tackle it was clearly a push and one that could have been enough to create liberal amounts of space to create a goal.

    The point is if you are going to look at the tackle you have a just a clear push in the same frame.
     
  22. Rufusabc

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    May 27, 2004
    Are you arguing the penalty is not a penalty?
     
  23. aphelorah

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    Context is important. There is a lot of contact referees will permit on set pieces into the penalty area if it has no material impact on the play. A shirt pull during a corner kick on someone who isn't near the ball and has no opportunity to play the ball will typically be ignored. In this case, if the ball subsequently lands at the feet or head of the attacker who pushed to create space, then call a free kick. Otherwise, this is trifling.
     
  24. code1390

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    Nice arm around the neck there.
     
  25. Sport Billy

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