Match #1: BRA : CRO - NISHIMURA (JPN)

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  1. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
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    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I haven't read all pages, there are 15 pages.;) Similar thing happened with Netherlands and Spain and the Dutch goal was accepted. Maybe it's foul made by Olic after all. Similar situations have different interpretation. I agree with one post, that goalkeepers are overprotected in these moments, because they use hands and they can take steady position, which gives them more height and body stability.

    If Julio Cesar had the ball in his hands, this would be the foul, but with the ball in the air, it's not clear who will get the ball. Julio missed the ball direction here, wrong judgement. When attacker places his elbow on the shoulder of one defender and places him on lower position during the jump, this is accepted as goal.

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    https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blog...national-hero-yuichi-nishimura-225207798.html

    "There was time yet for Nishimura to continue his error-strewn ways when he disallowed a legitimate Croatia equaliser after Ivica Olic was deemed to have fouled the Brazil goalkeeper Julio Cesar in the air on 82 minutes. It was another dreadful call, but one in keeping with the general poverty of his decision-making."

    Eurosport could have relevant explanation. Foul should be only if Julio Cesar had the ball in his gloves and if Ivica Olic made some inappropriate move on his shoulder, head.

    Neymar made intentional foul on Luka Modric, he saw his position and aimed directly to disable him. Other player would be sent off.;) You probably saw Maximiliano Pereira foul against player from Costa Rica. Hit in the face is even more painful.

    Croatia prevented well Brazilian players, only problems were with Neymar and especially with Oscar. Brazil used clever tactics and aimed their attacks on Croatian left side, where Sime Vrsaljko played, his World Cup debut and third Croatian choice, since all others were injured.:D

    It's interesting to read comments in this link of Eurosport page. Sad situation is when they use referees from much more exotic countries. They usually don't understand natural flow of football actions. FIFA said good words about this referee, but if we don't see him in the future matches and if no one punishes Croatian coach because of accusations against referees, the truth is spoken in silence.:cool:

    Mexico was damaged also, intention was that Mexico and Cameroon play draw match, so that Brazil can get higher advantage. Mexican style can be unpleasant for all participants in our group.:whistling:
     
  2. Hexa

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    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Sorry but you are wrong. On the Italy game both players went for the ball. The Olic fouled because he jump unto JC and this is a foul any place in the field

    Maximiliano Pereira got a red for violent play, he didn't even try to play the ball he went strait for the leg. Neymar raised his elbow, one could argue that he was just protecting himself and he was aiming for the opponent shoulder he got his neck and a deserved yellow a red would be harsh.

    Brazilian newspaper have a uncut video with 18 different angle of Olic vs JC. I capture it with quicktime and I'm uploading it to youtube will upload it here so you can judge
     
  3. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Olic vs JC



    You tell me if this is a foul
     
  4. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

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    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #404 Gilbertsson, Jun 15, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2014
    Ivan Rakitic was also fouled here in this video, but the referee gave useless advantage and he probably never gave anything to this player.:D Rakitic was without the ball. 40 seconds of double standards. He gave the advantage, but he should give something to Brazilian player, not sure which one. It was obvious that nothing could happen in this given advantage, very weak center shot from that left side.

    Why is Eurosport saying that this wasn't foul and they say about the wrong decision in this case. They should have some experience in analyze.

    It's hard for me to judge, we need to observe some neutral sources. Before the third Brazilian goal, Croatian player Luka Modric was also fouled from the back. 3.20 minute.:rolleyes: So two goals are objects of disputes.:D Only one goal is regular. I wonder what will happen against Mexico.:whistling: They were damaged against Cameroon, it was acceptable that Mexican match ends with a draw.


    Neymar protected himself from Luka Modric, who is 174 cm tall. Neymar has 175 cm. He missed his shoulder and misplaced his hand in his face.:whistling: Someone also hit Luka Modric in his ankle, it was unknown can he play against Cameroon, luckily nothing negative happened.

    If media makes such detailed analyze about Julio Cesar and Ivica Olic moment, something is wrong. And no one mentions this situation before the third goal.:rolleyes: It's pretty clear that foul existed, we don't need slow motion. 1-1 result would be much more fair. Croatian mistake is that no one has fouled anyone at central part, but Brazilian skill also played influential role. Hulk, Fred, Paulinho, Dani Alves, Marcelo were covered very good. Everyone expected safe Brazilian victory, but the problem appeared when Marcelo scored own goal. So appropriate actions were taken.:)
     
  5. Hexa

    Hexa Member+

    May 21, 2010
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    The are a lot of sports news and FIFA ex-referees saying Olic fouled. There is video with an angle that makes the challenge looks like it was a fair play. So if Eurosport was sloppy and made the call with one video they would said that.

    Ramires tackle were debated a lot at this forum without reaching a consensus. Most referees say it could go any way.

    A Brazilian TV channel (Globo) posted two video showing 1) the non-penalty with 18 different angles and 2) the Olic challenge with 19 different angles. retired Fifa referee concluded that Fred dove and the Olic committed the foul. They were analyzing these plays because to the controversy surrounding those calls nothing suspicious here, just getting all the evidence before making a correct call (something that Eurosport clearly didn't bother doing)

    I fell for Croatia, a phantom penalty and a contentious play by Ramires. But you were actually a bit lucky with Marcelo OG, and I believe Lovrem was very naive and should avoid making contact with a player in the penalty area
     
  6. Scrabbleship

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    May 24, 2012
    ITT: People who can't let something go four days after the fact.
     
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  7. colman1860

    colman1860 Member

    Nov 13, 2012
    London, England
    ITT: Croatians and Brazilians, shockingly arguing viewpoints that align perfectly with their team's interests.
     
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  8. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
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    The second Brazil assignment is now out. Unless someone has a really good reason to keep a thread open, in the hopes of avoiding Serial Dead Horse Beating Syndrome, we're going to make it a policy to close match threads once news for a team's next match comes out. So, thread closed.
     
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