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Discussion in 'Pro Indoor Soccer' started by Scooge, Sep 1, 2016.

  1. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Indianapolis
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How much is Turlock? $500?
     
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  2. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But seriously, folks, indoor teams change hands through actual sales so infrequently, it would be hard to peg a value. Sue Black "bought" the Wave, for hell's sake.

    I THINK the sale of the Blast in 1984 was the high water mark.
     
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  3. SteveCo

    SteveCo Member

    Mar 23, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Investing in a Jimmy John's store or two (or any of a hundred other franchise companies) would have a better chance of profit than an indoor soccer team. A lot of owners are probably using their indoor teams as a tax write-off, though we have the occasional rich guy who owns a team because he likes the sport (San Diego). Most MASL teams wouldn't sell for much if they did go up for sale. Being a winner on the field doesn't help much either - the KC Comets have changed owner groups twice in 2 years. The Wave nearly folded in the wake of Sue Black's 'ownership' a few years back. Utica has benefited greatly from new owners and a move to an adjacent city. That is the exception rather than what usually happens, though.
     
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  4. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    And, not an attorney or tax professional, but my sense is that the benefits of the pro sports team as tax write-off bit are slightly overstated, that it's best put to use when an owner has a lot of other interests that make money, and that any team set up for that purpose eventually gets discarded.
     
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  5. Nick79

    Nick79 Member

    May 4, 2015
    Club:
    Olympiakos Piraeus
    I'm sure there are some people rich enough that they could just do it because they like it. Even if it isn't profitable. As a hobby.
     
  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are much easier hobbies.

    Tell me how many people have done this over the last 20 years of indoor soccer. Most have been less than rich.

    The guy who owned the Wave after Krause...he had a bunch o'money. How long did he stick around?

    There have not been a lot of Thomas Guerrieros (luckily) who were complete scam artists, but there have been a lot of under-capitalized people.

    Not a lot of "rich guys having fun" that I can recall. The owners of the Ironmen had loads of money. Stuck with it what, two years?
     
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  7. NSL2004

    NSL2004 Member+

    Jul 23, 2002
    Even Bernie Rodin, who is considered one of the best owners ever and was highly successful on the field and in the stands, only owned the Blast for four years, Rich Paschette reminded us recently.
     
  8. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many current MASL owners fit the "rich guy/fun thing to do" or "rich guy/tax write-off?"

    Salvaggio is the former. Who else? And who is in the latter group?
     
  9. Nick79

    Nick79 Member

    May 4, 2015
    Club:
    Olympiakos Piraeus
    I don't know how many? I mean Ed Hale is likely a billionaire, CEO of a bank if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure there are some here and there.
     
  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then you should be able to name them. Their names are not secret.

    If you're sure, produce the names. Else you are not actually sure.

    Ed Hale is not a billionaire. Plank, Biscotti, Lerner...those are billionaires in Maryland. Ed Hale is not. Delmont is not.

    I'm not going to do your work for you, YOU say you're sure they are "around." Look at the teams, tell me who fits the profile.
     
  11. NSL2004

    NSL2004 Member+

    Jul 23, 2002
    The whole bank only had $1 billion in assets (money that belonged to other people) before its stock became literally worthless.
     
  12. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, Hale stepped down as 1st Mariner's CEO eight years ago.
     
  13. Nick79

    Nick79 Member

    May 4, 2015
    Club:
    Olympiakos Piraeus
    I guess I could name them if I really cared that much to do the research, but I don't. I also never knew that Hale stepped down 8 days or 8 years ago, because I didn't pay attention and don't care, he may not be a billionaire, but I'm pretty certain he isn't primarily living off the Blasts profits, but I won't go research that because I don't care enough to do that.
     
  14. Buddy98

    Buddy98 Member

    Oct 22, 2014
    As an Orioles fan, I need to add Peter Devilos to the list.
     
  15. Joey Tee

    Joey Tee Member

    Apr 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.maslsoccer.com/news/mesquite-outlaws-will-join-major-arena-soccer-leag


    This is an odd choice for expansion. Mesquite is a burb of Dallas and will get a different attendee. It is a generally lower income area as opposed to Allen. and is about a 35 minute drive south from Allen.

    Was thinking Fort Worth would come along with their new stadium before anything like this would happen. Curious to see how they do!
     
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  16. Scooge

    Scooge Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Big Sky Country
    Club:
    Portland MLS
  17. CFL-fan

    CFL-fan Member

    May 1, 2006
    Maryland
    Mesquite actually has an indoor soccer heritage of sorts.
    The Mesquite Kickers played 3 seasons in the USISL I-League. 94-95, 95-96, 96-97.

    Their all time record was 11 wins, 19 losses, 202 goals for and 317 against.
     
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  18. NSL2004

    NSL2004 Member+

    Jul 23, 2002
    Wow so even if the margin of victory in their 11 wins was only one goal that means they lost 19 times by an average margin of AT LEAST 6.63 goals.
     
  19. NickWISoccer

    NickWISoccer Member

    Apr 26, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    mesquite is an interesting expansion. if anything they will be a local rival to Dallas and will help will some calendar dates. assuming of course Dallas is still around next year. i think its safe to say the Missasusauga ( or however you spell it) experiment has failed
     
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  20. CFL-fan

    CFL-fan Member

    May 1, 2006
    Maryland
    Not so sure about Mississauga. I attended a game there and they had some cross-over of Toronto FC supporters with drums and chants behind one of the goals. I think they have potential if they can get more youth teams to the games.

    It's tough to compete against hockey in Canada.
     
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  21. Joey Tee

    Joey Tee Member

    Apr 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Besides the same floor bit that the Lakers and Clippers employ and the same stadium bit that the Rams and Chargers will put on, is this the closest same league opponent in sports? The only other one I can think of is Everton/Liverpool as I have seen that firsthand, and Everton is moving so I don't know what that distance will be once they move. Now of course those are "Major" sports but I can't think of anything minor or major other than what I listed.
     
  22. Joey Tee

    Joey Tee Member

    Apr 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #922 Joey Tee, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:20 PM
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2019 at 6:35 PM
    *sorry-I am referencing the Mesquite Outlaws and the Dallas Sidekicks

    Forgot Jets Giants!
     
  23. Scooge

    Scooge Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Big Sky Country
    Club:
    Portland MLS
    Ed Hale, owner of the Baltimore Blast, announces that his team will stay at the SECU Arena on the campus of Towson University, at least through 2025. Broadcast on Facebook Live.
     

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