Manager on trial: Shin Taeyong edition

Discussion in 'Korea' started by killaorca, Jun 2, 2018.

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Should we sack him? The prayer to KNT god.

  1. Yes

    40 vote(s)
    75.5%
  2. No

    4 vote(s)
    7.5%
  3. Wait

    9 vote(s)
    17.0%
  1. Testator

    Testator Member

    Glasgow Celtic
    Croatia
    Sep 5, 2017
    Croatian coast
    Was Lennon's assistant manager at Celtic. Immense knowledge of the defensive side of things.
     
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  2. chook90

    chook90 Member+

    South Korea
    Jan 2, 2015
    Al Khor, Qatar
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I wonder if some of the potential managers we're talking about prefer to bring their own coaching staff, or they don't mind KFA staffing.

    If former, would KFA be open to that? Letting a manager bring their own coaching staff?
     
  3. Testator

    Testator Member

    Glasgow Celtic
    Croatia
    Sep 5, 2017
    Croatian coast
    If the manager is of a high reputation, then he gets to choose who he wants, certainly.

    Just had a wishful idea though. Henrik Larsson together with Mjällby. Would people on BSK be OK with this? It's a pipe dream though, these 2 were never linked with Korea before.
     
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  4. chook90

    chook90 Member+

    South Korea
    Jan 2, 2015
    Al Khor, Qatar
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    What do you like about Larsson?
     
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  5. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    You've activated the trigger for @chook90 and now watch him reel off hundreds of potential managers. :coffee::coffee::D
     
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  6. Testator

    Testator Member

    Glasgow Celtic
    Croatia
    Sep 5, 2017
    Croatian coast
    Has a knack for attacking parts of the game. At a minimum, he can teach Korean strikers about finishing chances. HHC first. Maybe he could kindly tell Son that dribbling is not always a good thing.
     
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  7. Chucky2202

    Chucky2202 Red Card

    Nov 24, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Reunion
    I remember Hiddink took HMB under his wings at Anzhi. Other than that I imagine it’s nearly impossible for Koreans to find any management job in Europe. Minority players are fine on the pitch but when it comes to management that puts the 'person of color' in a more social situation with the chairman and the rest of the board. Many of these men do not socialize or otherwise interact with minorities and prefer the company of their old 'buddies'. If they employ an Asian person to manage their football clubs that person would have to be included around dinner party tables etc. and with some of these chairmen and their ilk, they wouldn't be able to engage in the same 'ethnic banter' they get away with when the room is full of their like-minded friends.
     
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  8. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    I think Shin is a good manager for AFC standards. He's over-engineered things this tournament and out-clevered his own tactics. I think he's decent enough where he's learned a thing or two. So he needs to go back to where he belongs: The K-League. The country would benefit most from his experience and learnings. And domestic players have much to learn.

    For the KNT, we need a manager that has a few battle scars managing a Europa-level team. We don't need someone who's lifted a trophy and won awards. That exceeds the needs of the team. We need someone who's gone through the brutual winter months, fought relegation, dealt with the injured list, calmed unhappy owners and fans, mentored the spiritually ill and humbled the big-headed - all the while playing in the domestic league, the domestic cup and in Europe. The type where the big clubs are reluctant to give the job to but have clearly demonstrated that they belong in the top flight. For the KNT, someone like Sam Allardyce would fit the bill perfectly. Do I think he'd accept a KNT position? No. But this does warrant a discussion on what exactly is our criteria when hunting for a manager.
     
  9. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    I think Son has a massive problem especially when he plays centrally as a forward. Specifically, he dribbles when he shouldn't and is clueless in positioning (centrally). I think we could of scored a couple more against Germany had he been more disciplined. Hence, I do beg the question whether he'd really listen to a Larson when Mauricio Pochetino can't enforce this discipline upon him. As much as I think Son is too good for the KNT, he has some deficiencies and needs someone that can tell him to stfu.
     
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  10. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    Depends. We need experienced coaches. I argue what does Cha Du-ri or Kim Nam-il know anything about coaching. To me, a coach is someone that can strategically and tactically take helm in the absence of the manager. Neither of these guys have any experience coaching or managing. If a foregn manager prefers to bring their own staff, we need to validate their experience. We don't need foreign cheer leaders. We have plenty of that domestically.
     
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  11. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    As much as I disliked him for his boring style of play, he did what he had to do with the resources he had. He knows how to fight with the resources he has and is willing to go far and wide to make things click with the cr*ppy players he had. I think it would be a good fit.
     
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  12. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    Right. Big Sam is an unpopular choice for many reasons. But nobody could dare say that the KNT is too good for a seasoned veteran like Sam Allardyce. Someone like Guus was too much gold-plating and I don't foresee a signing like that. As a matter of fact, I'd argue against it. I don't think our players are good enough to execute cutting-edge. But someone like Dick Advocaat - perfect. So where are the Big Sams?
     
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  13. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    I think KFA wants managers who want to play an attractive style of football, given their previous choices as managers. The problem is that we just do not have players to play like that, and need a gritty team that can pull off a sucker punch in every counterattack we have.
     
  14. AmoebaCulture

    AmoebaCulture Member+

    Nov 25, 2001
    Andromeda
    Agreed, 100%.
     
  15. killaorca

    killaorca Red Card

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    When it comes to international football, it's better to keep shit simple instead of playing overly complicated. Unless all your players play for Barcelona week after week and was raised together in the same system.
     
  16. 10August2012

    10August2012 Member+

    Oct 28, 2012
    Melbourne
    Club:
    Sunnanå SK Skellefteå
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Agree with you. I don't envision us ever playing pretty football in the near future, however, there's no shame in playing a tenacious, rugged game. You cannot call 2013-14 Atletico Madrid an inferior team to Real or Barca. I'd rather be a winning Atleti than a losing Barca.
     
  17. chook90

    chook90 Member+

    South Korea
    Jan 2, 2015
    Al Khor, Qatar
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    agree with you, but I have a question:

    How did teams like Morocco play an attractive game when their players play for clubs all over the place?

    Is it because their country is close to Europe, so the NT coach can organize training camps with all of their Euro-based players frequently?
     
  18. killaorca

    killaorca Red Card

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Not attractive, I'm talking Spanish tiki taka that so many of our managers are obsessed over.
     
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  19. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    There's a rumor that Shin Tae-yong received offers from China and Japan.
     
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  20. Testator

    Testator Member

    Glasgow Celtic
    Croatia
    Sep 5, 2017
    Croatian coast
    From your keyboard into God's eyes.
     
  21. 10August2012

    10August2012 Member+

    Oct 28, 2012
    Melbourne
    Club:
    Sunnanå SK Skellefteå
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I'd love to see STY as manager of CNT HAHAH
    I assume you meant club though
     
  22. toohyper

    toohyper BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I think for international level, Morocco still plays "attractive" football. Can't really compare NTs to club football tho.
     
  23. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    NT or club? Because the Chinese NT manager spot is reserved for Uli
     
  24. 10August2012

    10August2012 Member+

    Oct 28, 2012
    Melbourne
    Club:
    Sunnanå SK Skellefteå
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    It's prob club bc there is no way in hell the JFA is stupid enough to hire STY as manager
     
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  25. ChristusVictor

    Jun 18, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Getting Sam Allardyce would be an even greater regression than keeping STY.

    This also reminds me of when the KFA had a hard on for Mick McCarthy, like seriously???????

    Get Dick Advocaat back NOW.

     

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