Make Copa America 4 year west hemisphere tournament

jajajaja no soy cacho huevon si se escribir pero lo hago rapido y yo no se quien quiere meter a tantas islitas a jugar contra la conmebol, pucha si es asi metan a su marido de puerto rico, como les encant esa huevada de terreno, tranquilamente con un sencillo de bill gates lo compra y lo declara como su propiedad privada

 

tipea despacio, hombre. cual es la prisa?

 

porque a las siete cierran el Internet cafe

 

Quien carajos ha mencionado meter a islas en CONMEBOL? El unico que empezastes a hablar de eso fuistes tu. Y ya demostre lo ridiculo que es tu argumento si Puerto Rico ni participa en torneos CONCACAF que puñetas van hacer en CONMEBOL? Y claro La Habana ese gran pais tambien va a participar .

Y que carajos sabes tu de Puerto Rico? Para de hablar basofia jodio ignorante de mierda.

 

Es sierto , Puerto Rico no participa en Concacaf,
Y en verdad los Boricuas no se preocupan del futbol

 

Se supone que participen en CONCACAF pero como dices nadie se preocupa por eso. La ultima vez que particiapron en unas eliminatorias para el mundial fue en el 93'.

Pero segun nuestro amigo retrasado mental porque a Mexico los inviten a la Copa America significa que las islas del caribe tambien van a participar en CONMEBOL.

 

alguein metio a mexico en la concacaf si eso pasaria luego quieren meter a usa, centroamerica no seria justo

y no necesito conocer mucho de puerto rico es ams ni hablen de eso

es mas dediquense por la copa y punto ,a mi me gustaria eso de 16 equipos, pero nunca mezclar las dos confederaciones nunca, solo ya es mucho con lo de la copa america

 

Hombre, estoy completamente de acuerdo contigo. No creo que deben mezclar ambas confederaciones para nada.

CONMEBOL es CONMEBOL y CONCACAF es CONCACAF. Los torneos se deben mantener asi.

Pero no te pongas a hablar mierda de cosas que no sabes. OK?

 

ok si se me paso yo se pero de veras es que todo lleva a una cosa

en fin que sigfan habiendo amistosos y bueno la copa america deberia de ser expandida creo yo total es copa america, como siempre lka conmebol babosa no controla nada ty hace tonterias

deberiamos de jugar una copa america global pero no eliminatorias

 

The US and Mexico would still qualify for the WC just about every time out of a merged confederation (assuming that it had the full 8 spots that the two currently have and assuming that it didn't use the ridiculous African qualification format). Those teams are both easily top 4-5 in the Americas, they'd need to have a severe "down" cycle in order to not qualify (it'd probably happen once every 10 times). Right now the US and Mexico aren't challenged at all in WCQs except when they play each other, or at Costa Rica. Give them some high-intensity qualifiers against the South American teams and you'll see both teams do a lot better in the WC.

 

Exactly, so what makes you think that the US and Mexico will qualify 9 out of every 10 times to the World Cup?

They are gonna be challenged A LOT MORE if a merged Confederation happens. So if the merging happens, the change of attitude, atmosphere, and most important football style is gonna have a toll on the US, Mexico and Costa Rica...at first at least.

 

Mexico would make qualify out of CONMEBOL.

The US and Costa Rica, hmm...I doubt it.

 

It will be far more challenging on a game-by-game basis, but overall the US and Mexico will still have no problem qualifying assuming a reasonable qualifying format.

I'm envisioning a couple preliminary rounds to weed out the minnows followed by 2 groups of 8 with the top half of each group qualifying for the dance. Basically for each group you're talking US/Mexico, either the other one or one of the big 2 South American teams, and a bunch of mid-level teams. US and Mexico would both finish top half of that.

 

What makes you think that? Imagine a qualifying group of:

Uruguay
United States
Ecuador
Bolivia
Jamaica

With only the top team qualifying. Eight teams qualifying out of 40+ means it's going to be pretty tough.

 

But that grouping out of 40 would make no sense. If the region had eight groups, the 10-12 semi-legit teams (USA, Mexico, most of South America, perhaps Costa Rica or Jamaica) would be spread out among the groups.

It'd be more like this:

Uruguay
United States
Belize
Grenada
Panama

Still challenging -- Uruguay would likely be joint favorite in the group, with Panama a threat to throw a wrench in either team's plans. But not at all what you're describing.

Europe manages to scatter its half-decent teams among eight or nine groups, leaving England and Poland to face teams like San Marino and Estonia. Same principle.

 

Yeah, which is why I added the provision about not having a ridiculous Africa-esque WCQ format (which is exactly what you described). And keep in mind that most of those 40+ teams are Carribean/CA minnows.

All you need to do is seed the teams, have a preliminary home-and-home round of the minnows playing each other then the winners of that go home-and-home with the seeded teams to whittle it down to 16, then from there go 2 groups of 8 with top 4 from each qualifying. If you assume the final 16 would be the 10 South American teams plus the US, Mexico, Costa Rica, and 3 others (we'll say Jamaica, Canada, and Guatemala purely for the sake of argument) you might end up with the following final groups:

USA
Mexico
Argentina
Canada
Uruguay
Bolivia
Jamaica
Peru

Brazil
Costa Rica
Guatemala
Paraguay
Colombia
Ecuador
Chile
Venezuela


That's about as tough of a group as the US and Mexico could land in if the teams were properly seeded, yet both should qualify out of there.

 

What makes you think they'd have a system like that? Maybe four groups of four, with the USA in with Brazil and Uruguay fighting for two places. Eight teams in a group would mean 14 games plus the preliminaries, not easy when you only have 16 months for the qualifiers.

 

I say Mexico has a great quality as South American teams, Many believe Mexico and USA will get destroyed in Conmebol,
The record of Mexico vs South American teams is Impressive, Which is why I think Mexico can advance to WC is join conmebol. so how can mexico not do well in conmebol?
Records....... * Includes every match.WC.Copa America,Gold cup,Friendly,other
Mexico vs Argentina
15 Played 15
2 Won 6
7 Drawn 7
6 Lost 2
15 Goals 21
Mexico vs Brazil
21 Played 21
6 Won 11
4 Drawn 4
11 Lost 6
19 Goals 42

Mexico vs Uruguay
11 Played 11
5 Won 2
4 Drawn 4
2 Lost 5
13 Goals 11
Mexico vs Paraguay
11 Played 11
3 Won 3
5 Drawn 5
3 Lost 3
11 Goals 10
Mexico vs Chile
11 Played 11
7 Won 3
1 Drawn 1
3 Lost 7
13 Goals 10
Mexico vs Peru
9 Played 9
4 Won 2
3 Drawn 3
2 Lost 4
11 Goals 9
Mexico vs Colombia
15 Played 15
3 Won 4
8 Drawn 8
4 Lost 3
13 Goals 13
Mexico vs Bolivia
8 Played 8
6 Won 1
1 Drawn 1
1 Lost 6
9 Goals 4
Mexico vs Venezuela
4 Played 4
4 Won 0
0 Drawn 0
0 Lost 4
9 Goals 3
Mexico vs Ecuador
11 Played 11
7 Won 1
3 Drawn 3
1 Lost 7
16 Goals 7
THAT makes it
Mexico vs SOUTH AMERICAN TEAMS
GOALS
129 -130

Surely Its an impressive record, which is why I say we always do well with the south American nations.

 

Reducing to 16 teams using home and home plus 14 games will be no more then teams played in 2006 WCQ (18 in CSF and 18-22 in CONCACAF).

Even if you are right about the 4 groups of four, it will take a great deal of bad luck to have the group that you describe. USA & Mexico are just as likely to be a tier 1 team (top 4) as they are to be a tier 2. Uruguay is likely to be a tier 2 and not a tier 3 team as you put them (which 8 teams you you have ahead of them?).

 

Except now you've got much less time to play because of the qualifying for the extended copa america, so you'll need less qualifying games.

Based on fifa rankings, the pots would be:

Pot 1:
Brazil
Argentina
Mexico
Uruguay

Pot 2:
Ecuador
USA
Colombia
Paraguay

Pot 3:
Chile
Cuba
Honduras
Jamaica

Pot 4:
Costa Rica
Panama
Venezuela
Peru

Thinking about it, the FIFA rankings are completely ********ed up.

 

lol

Yeah, we can't base the seeding and pots on the FIFA rankings. Cuba, Honduras and Jamaica ahead of all the teams in your "Pot 4" would be crazee.

 

Maybe there is less time, but there should be no problem play a first home & home elimination (reducing to 32 teams) in August of the even year and the second home & home in September. This means that two groups of 8 teams can start playing during the October of the even year and there is more then enough time to finish 14 games by November of the next year (using only WCQ dates). During 2006 WCQ, T&T played 17 games between September 2004 and November 2005, Mexico played 16 during the same time frame, The rest of the CONCACAF hex teams played 15 games and had two open dates in November of 2005.

Is this a a full schedule? yes, but the joined Copa America qualifier schedule will not be as full (since 16 teams qualify). WCQ preliminary rounds could be played in the first half of the Copa America year (the qualifiers ended by November of the previous year). This means that the 14 games will have to be played between August of the even year and November of the following year. During the 2006 WCQ Czech Republic, Turkey and Slovakia played 14 games during the same time period (Turkey and the Czech didn't start playing until September). This is not even a very full schedule.

Another alternative which is conducive for the top teams progressing is 3 groups of six. Top two teams qualify to the WC 3rd place team and best forth play for the last two spots. All this is under the assumption that the joined confederation will have 8 WC spots. If the joined Confederation has only 7.5 spots two 3rd place teams will play for one spot and the third will play for the half spot.

My point is not that this is going to happen. What I'm trying to point out that a joined America confederation has solutions that will qualify 8 teams without having to use a CAF type qualifications (only group winner qualify) or even a 2 out of 4 final qualifying format. Both of these are not conducive for top teams qualifying since one or two mistakes/upsets can eliminate a top team.

 

Keep it the Copa America in SOUTH AMERICA.. we came up with it, started it, and WE should play in it. We should have never invited foreign countries to play in it. That was a big mistake. They cheapen the tournament.

Mexico and USA.. pfffft ! get the ufck outa here... they can't compete against conmebol teams like Brazil or Argentina.. or even Uruguay, Ecuador, and Colombia.

 

I'm all for an all American continental tournament for the Copa America.

 

Dude ,stfu.
Mexico has proved to be competitive in Copa AMerica . Show some facts why Mexico can't be competitive vs Uruguay,Ecuador,Colombia.