Macedonia vs Italy (2018 World Cup Qualifier)

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Italy-Azzurri-Fan, Oct 7, 2016.

  1. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member

    Mar 29, 2015
    i like the responses. Marchisio is needed!!!!!

    For what reason? He can't finish. He can't dribble or beat his man. He consistently loses the ball. He is essentially a headless chicken. At least Parolo can head a ball.
     
  2. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Marchisio is a master. Marchisio is a demi-god. Marchisio is the matrix. Top that.
     
  3. krado33

    krado33 Member

    May 23, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Wake up calls are good. You get to see who can deliver when the real pressure comes on.
     
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  4. Parcae

    Parcae Member

    Nov 3, 2013
    Marchisio's needed because he's a quality box to box midfielder. I don't think that anyone is saying that he's Gattuso, but this match showed how badly we need a holding midfielder (after playing nothing but holding midfielders in the last match...)

    Ventura is not impressing me. Let's hope the November break will give him time to reformulate his own style instead of ... whatever it is he's trying to do now.
     
  5. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Ventura "we are at 69%" you know what that old fckr is thinking.
     
  6. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Maryland
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    So I saw the give away from the Little French Guy. Since not much has been written, I am guessing he was not that impressive. Anyone know if FoxSports will show a replay tonight?
     
  7. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
  8. krado33

    krado33 Member

    May 23, 2014
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Well he should start thinking with his big brain.
    vent1.jpg
     
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  9. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    And we can win against Spain in Spain. That is not out of the realm of possibility.
     
  10. Star-Lord

    Star-Lord Member+

    Aug 10, 2014
    Uranus
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Lmao
     
  11. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Dec 30, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    AC Milan
    He was not impressive and directly lead to Macedonia's first goal with one of the poorest passes I've ever seen.
     
  12. Star-Lord

    Star-Lord Member+

    Aug 10, 2014
    Uranus
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    352 is not effective and Ventura should know better than to try and mimic conte.
     
  13. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Country:
    Italy
  14. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Verratti was poor through long stretches of the match. Much too casual with the ball. He did set up the second goal and put Parolo in for the would be winning goal (wrongly ruled offsides), but it wasn't good enough for a player of his quality. His give away was terrible because it he had no pressure on him. He casually one touched the ball back to the middle of the field without looking. You simply can't do that.

    Ventura really fcked up the formation. Last game he had 7 defenders and this game he had no defensive midfielders. Bonaventura is average at best at this level. Bernadeschi I thought was terrible other than the corner on the first goal. You cannot try to dribble 3 guys in the center midfield when your whole team is in the other half. Just dumb dumb dumb.

    Verratti needs an active midfielder next to him. Pirlo had Gattuso and Verratti needs someone who will partner better with him and allow him to get forward more often. Benassi? We shall see.

    Buffon's reaction time is concerning me. He should have had saved the second goal. I was watching highlights of him from about 10 years ago and the difference in his ability to get down is staggering. I'm not sure he can make it to 2018.

    Belotti and Immobile are warriors. Credit to them. I still wonder though if we wouldn't be better off with a seconda punta in there to be more creative.
     
  15. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    By the way...kudos to Sansone for coming on and showing personality. His cross led to the ball going to Candreva who then had a beautiful assist to Immobile for the winning goal.
     
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  16. Nek Sanalet

    Nek Sanalet Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Dec 30, 2013
    NYC
    Club:
    AC Milan
    #116 Nek Sanalet, Oct 10, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2016
    Belotti and Immobile scored three goals. When was the last time Italian center forwards did that. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I don't think Pelle and Eder ever did. If Ventura sticks with 3 5 2, they both deserve to start for the foreseeable future. Immobile was immense, and showed such guts bringing Italy back from the dead. Only Candreva and to a lesser degree Belotti matched his warrior spirit. Verratti was extremely poor. While I would never suggest he doesn't deserve a spot on the national team, and at 23 still has time to grow and improve, I don't think he's world class right now.

    While Bernardeschi wasn't incredible either, I think he had a better first half than Marco. Besides the assist, he was flying down the pitch and confidently trying to take defenders on and beat them one on one. Sometimes he did, sometimes he didn't. I think his biggest flaw today was when tracking back and going on the defensive. To many times he got too aggressive and caused a foul. But considering this was his first start ever for the Azzurri, it was far from terrible before his bad giveaway (that Buffon should of saved anyway).

    I also have doubts of Buffon and Barzagli making 2018. Romagnoli, Donnarumma, and Rugani need to keep getting starts before the WC so they are completely ready.

    And yes, I think Marchisio/Benassi are the guys that can flank Verratti and compliment him. But I would also give Jorginho a chance to stake a claim on this team. I don't think Verratti has earned the title of untouchable.
     
  17. Afghan-Juventus

    Afghan-Juventus Member+

    Oct 14, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Afghanistan
    Well thats enough internet for today.
     
  18. Afghan-Juventus

    Afghan-Juventus Member+

    Oct 14, 2012
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Afghanistan
    Marchisio hasnt been a b2b mid in years. Hes a regista and considering his injury i strongly doubt that we will see him return to a b2b role again.
     
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  19. Garibaldi

    Garibaldi Member

    Mar 21, 2004
    Toronto, Ontario
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Country:
    Italy
    Gentleman please have a real think and reflect on this for a moment...


    Qualifying game

    Italia 3 - Macedonia 2



    Fifa World Soccer ranking

    ITALIA ( current ) 13
    Macedonia ( current ) 106


    Does anyone see a real problem?
     
  20. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    Ventura worries me more and more every game. This is the fourth game under his tenure, and we have yet to look good in one. I couldn't understand why he did not use one true holding/defensive MF in yesterday's match. It cost us on their counters.
     
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  21. Falc

    Falc Member+

    Jul 29, 2006
    Maryland
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Country:
    Italy
    Macedonia is ranked so low?
     
  22. Calcio Pauly

    Calcio Pauly Member+

    Jun 17, 2012
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Yep, I see the same problem that has almost always existed in qualifying.
     
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  23. thorus

    thorus Member

    Feb 28, 2016
    Club:
    --other--
    Don't worry. Someone will show up and mention that the team always plays down to the lower opposition.

    This, of course, is a giant load of horseshit. I can/could almost accept this logic if the team was brimming with world class talent and they can turn it on at any given moment. However, these last few incarnations of the NT look(ed) like anything but world beaters.
     
  24. Rosay

    Rosay Member+

    May 7, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Didn't Bernardeschi start against Ireland in the Euro?
     
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  25. thorus

    thorus Member

    Feb 28, 2016
    Club:
    --other--
    Yes, and he led the team in passes to no one.
     

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