Igual lo hicieron jugar 10 minutos en un partido en un partido de liga (en donde el scudetto estaba casi listo a favor de la Juve, parece que fue contra Suassolo, no estoy tan seguro) y otro casi completo contra el Benfica. No debió haber jugado en ninguno de los 2 partidos, sobretodo contra el Benfica, si es que verdaderamente les preocupaba el jugador, por las características del compromiso (partido de vuelta por semifinales de Copa), donde es muy probable que lo hayan medicado contra el dolor, para poder jugar. Decidieron restarle importancia a su lesión, exactamente de la misma forma como ahora, Sampaoli lo hizo jugar ante Irlanda del Norte.
I’m not sure if you really believe this. In Vidal, Conte has had a workhorse and one of the best central midfielders (box-to-box) in world football, arguably only second to Yaya Toure who possesses an array of qualities. It’s no secret that a number of European clubs had been window-shopping all season at Juventus, following what many believe to be the club’s two most vital cogs in midfield, Vidal and Pogba. Nearing the conclusion of the 2013-14 season, Conte knew of the possibility that Vidal (and Pogba) could be lured by other big clubs, which could potentially turn into a financially advantageous situation for Juventus. Given the uncertainty over the future of these two, and the club’s interest in profiting from the sale of at least one of them, Conte chose to still play Vidal and milk him for all he was worth (again, just in case a buyer made a serious offer), as we saw from that night in Turin where Juventus could not solve Benfica’s defence. It reminded me of the Ancelotti-Kaká situation at AC Milan many years ago, when Ancelotti and Milan knew that Kaká was a physically spent force, but marketed him correctly and sold him to Real Madrid. Club football is a business first, and players like Vidal are treated like assets, especially at the big ones. It's like any of the big four leagues in the United States. In relation to Vidal's injury, Vidal, Sampaoli and Conte hold shared responsibility. Vidal is partly to blame because he sees himself as a ‘warrior’ and appears to think that he can overcome everything, even the realistically impossible. He should know that ‘warriors’ fall, too. Someone with any sense, in his position, would respect the physiological limits of the body and would refrain from asking to play. Sampaoli is the man in charge of the national team, which means that he has to weigh the pros and cons of allowing a player in such circumstances to play, even if for only some minutes. The decision to make him play against Northern Ireland was premature to say the least. As for Conte, he can’t escape the picture either, as he bled Vidal dry for an entire season, particularly during the latter stages of 2013-14, knowing that the guy was carrying an injury. Watching Vidal strain himself to still play honestly in the second leg of the UCL semi finals was absolutely nauseating.
Looks like Vidal has until Thursday to show progress; otherwise, Samps will be giving Millar a call-up...I know Chile has an idiosyncrasy of getting back up when all seems lost, so I'm hoping things go well from here. Aside from that, we all know which three parties deserve to get the fingers pointed at - let's not kid ourselves here. By the way, is there a better option aside from Millar? http://www.elgraficochile.cl/arturo...illa/prontus_elgrafico/2014-06-09/073924.html
Malas noticias : Se activó el mecanismo de recambio en la selección de Chile, por lo de Vidal. Sampaoli se contactó telefonicamente con Millar para que esté preparado para viajar en cualquier momento ahora, en caso de no mejorar lo de Vidal : http://www.latercera.com/noticia/de...mpaoli-alerta-a-millar-por-si-cae-vidal.shtml Según el reportaje, los médicos no dieron su autorización para que jugase contra Irlanda del Norte, a pesar de la insistencia del jugador en querer hacerlo, y posterior decisión de Sampaoli en incluirlo. Puta que van a salir "caros" los 13 minutos que Vidal jugó
The doctor that performed his injury hasnt seen Vidal since. Update to todays news, if he is not to play, it will be because of inflammation. Sampa and his staff are not idiots, if he is not fit then he wont play, simple as that. If he does play its because he can. The 13 mins prob have little to do, he at most run, which was what he was doing before anyway. Anyway, we still have till Thursday.
Stop it, man. Sampaoli and Vidal were completely irresponsable in this one. Doctors, including the ones in the medical staff of our NT told them not to do it, and they did it anyway. Now they must asume the costs of an unwise call : Sampaoli will not be able to use Vidal, while Vidal will lose his opportunity to play his second WC. If they do something great, they receive the applause for it, the same way they must receive the condemnation when they do wrong. This time they fckd-up big. As Sampaoli isn't stupid, he already is doing and asuming what will be needed to do in order to minimize the damage to the team. Unfortunately, the solution may not include Vidal (still has a couple of days till the time limit to file the switch, expires). Compared to the "bautizo", where Vidal was also involved, this was a lots greater fck-up.
You stop it, you shouldnt assume everyone else is an idiot. Sampa didnt play Vidal because he felt like it, and Vidal didnt force sampa or himself to play just because. They took that decision because of the way the injury was evolving and with the doctors consent. This is no where near as bad as the bautizo incident.
I'm not asuming they are idiots. They simply took a very bad call, the same as every patient who decides by itself to go against the suggestion of the doctors who are treating them. As it stands now, it seems they didn't have the doctors consent for Vidal to play. That call was all, in Sampaoli's and Vidal's hands. And yes, the injury was evolving perfectly, till the minute before he played. It all went down hill afterwards he played, as it usually happens most of the times when you try to hurry the recovery of a player. You could avoid this whole mess, by simply not trying to hurry the normal healing and recovery process. This knowledge is widely known by all people who practice sports of any kind. Go against it, and you are asuming risks. The shorter the time you give for full recovery, the bigger the risk you take. And Sampaoli, loves to take risks (we all know it, or don't you ?).
Precisely. Having worked in the health care field for many years (not as a doctor) it is common for persons after surgery to feel real well before the average time for full recovery. Some individuals decide to return to normal activity based on this premature well being, many times resulting in a relapse of their recovery that ends being much longer than the average. In a few cases the repair surgery need to be redone. Is this the case with Vidal?, I don't know, but it doesn't look good.
I don't really know what's with his knee, but according to the description of the swelling and intense pain that he is feeling (he can't stay much long standing on his legs and must sit down frequently, together with the short period of time after his previous surgery), the worst that could happen is that he could be under a new fracture of his previous broken and treated meniscus and maybe might need another arthroscopy procedure. If this is the case, he might be facing over 6 months to recover.
This is just speculation on your part. You cant just say because Y happened after X that it was X that caused it. Vidal was already running, for all we know its because of that and within the margins of his recovery, it was perfectly possible and normal for some swelling to come back.
Reading speculative sports news is poison. Vidal will stay and will play the last game (and perhaps the previous one) of the group stage.
No, it is not speculations. They are facts supported by almost all the medical literature existent related to the issue. Speculations, was to believe that he was completely recovered, so he could play normally (even if it was only 15 minutes), believing it wouldn't have an impact over his recovery. As a fan (which I am), it got me very happy to see him play, but as a doctor, I knew that he probably fckd himself by doing so (lots of fans felt the same, without being doctors themselves). He shouldn't have played. Btw, optimism and good vibes can help : http://www.todofutbol.cl/2014/06/09/ojo-despues-que-se-fue-la-prensa-vidal-entreno-normalmente/ (take a look at 4th parragraph, where it says what the NT doctor thought)
Speculation is to say he got injured exactly because of the 13 mins. Me and a lot of chileans still have our hopes up, and if he doesnt make it, we can still accomplish something in the WC.
Existen al menos 1000 opciones mejores que ese paquete. Como a Bielsa le gustaba, a su imitador también.
You still don't get it. When he played, he wasn't recovered yet from his former injury. Right before the game, he was perfectly healing with no swelling or any pain and recovering as expected by all whom were treating him. Right after the game, his condition got aggravated, presenting swollen tissues and lots of pain. He shouldn't have played, against the opposition of the medical staff. An irresponsability by doing so (he jeopardized himself and his team). And I also want Chile to have a great performance. With or without Vidal. It would've been easier with him at his best though.
We should just go for it with the players that are 100% only, our way of playing demands it. People say Vidal is going to be saved for Holland. I say don't start him against any team till the cup ends. He should stay in the bench for the whole World Cup if possible and ONLY come in the last 5 minutes of a match we are winning by only 1 goal and we need to hold on to a lead for the last 5 minutes plus injury time. He should serve as a morale booster for those last minute cliffhangers we suck so much at that will inevitable come. I mean, if he's unlucky enough to pick an injury in 5 minutes might as well do it by pushing us over the line. Then he can take a 6-month holiday in the Caribbean and Juve can ******** off. Against Australia not even in the bench. If we can't beat them without Vidal, we might as well pack up our bags then and there and go home.
You dont get it. Before the guy the guy was already running. With running and recovering from the injury, there was always a good chance he could get a bad side effect, or in this case, swelling.
Oh, so injured players can't run. And patients recovering from injuries can't run without getting swollen. That one is new. You don't really understand nothing about what you are trying to talk about. Vidal, the same as every pro football player doesn't do training by himself to whatever he wants to do. For his training they have a technical staff (usually a head doctor whom usually has a traumatoly speciality, a kinesiologist, a specialized trainer and probably also a nutritionist) whom assess everything that the player does or even eats, and he must follow very strict procedures and a training program designed in order to avoid anything wrong from happening when the player is subject to recovery. As long as he follows this program, as it is all done in a perfectly controlled environment, nothing should go wrong. But if you take that player and make him play, what you are basicly doing is taking him out of the controlled environment, and putting him in an unpredictable environment (for the case, it was a wet pitch due to heavy rain which is horrible for anyone, with cold temperatures, which is also not good), where he is subject to uncontrolled movements, uncontrolled intensity of exercise, unsteady very slippery ground, and also prone to receive some knocks and forces done to him by opposing players, which can all aggravate the players condition. This is what Sampaoli did to Vidal by making him play for 13 minutes, despite that the medical staff of the NT, as well as the doctor whom performed Vidal's surgery and other external doctors and specialists suggested it, to not play him, because Vidal wasn't ready and he was not fit yet.
Think the exact same thing as yours. And dont put words in my mouth to prove your point. Of course injured players can run, you know that me and everyone here knows that, but once again you mention it to sound sarcastic. The swelling could have come just from running, it was and is possible.
Through the whole process of healing there could be some sort of swelling, but not in the enough level to produce pain, as it is not a condition that increases and decreases after simple movements (and doesn't happen instantly, as it may take hours to be produced, usually starts hurting about 4-5 hours after the high impact training, or even at the next day) . It increases to the level of producing pain when the inflammatory process gets reactivated, which only will happen in a patient as Vidal, when his body gets subject to high impact movements, which in the knees don't happen when you run lightly or simply jog. High impact movements to the knee, include among others, jumping without flexion of legs when you land (typical when you try to head a corner or free kick), violent twists to the knee, running and sudden stop at the position where he may be, quick changes in the direction to where he is moving, kicking a ball (as the foot which actually makes the kick or as the foot which must stand ground in order to allow the other foot to kick the ball), stopping a hard ball with your feet, all movements that a person does a lot when he plays football. Football is a high impact sport, where running compared to it, can't be considered as a high impact sport. No, the swelling that produced pain in Vidal, didn't come from the running or his recovery training, as it came through the movements he did playing during those 13 minutes he played, where you could've seen it yourself if you saw the game, Vidal during those minutes avoided all sort of direct contact with opponents (which is good, as he avoided getting hit), but he runned during his time in the game at all times trying to be there, in each play (which was what had a negative impact in the recovery of his injury), when he had the chance to kick it from the border of the penalty zone, to try to score himself, he kicked the ball softly (fortunately), because if he would have really intended to hit hard the ball, as he really knows how, his injured knee could have imploded right there, in that moment, and he would have lost the WC definitively, due to that specific kick.
But you dont know that, and again, no need to say stuff like "if youd only seen the game", its doesnt contribute anything to the argument.
If you saw the game or not isn't an argument. This may only helps you to understand a little bit better what I said over high impact movements, and what it is, which was the argument here. Yeah, sure we doctors don't know nothing about injuries, bones and soft tissues..... Maybe, you better ask a musician .....
I find it hard to believe you didnt know I watched the game considering I immediately commented on it and you even replied, but ill give you benefit of the doubt. Not every doctor knows everything there is to know about every condition, you, as a doctor, know this. Besides that fact, you can comment, and have an opinion, but thats where it ends unless of course you went on to treat Vidal youself.
True. I know you watched the game, reasons why I tried to explain it to you how Vidal fckd-up his healing process, by helping you to reach your own conclussions over it. Great part of medical practice consists in simple observation, where anyone can learn about it. About the impossibility to know everything, you are also right, but no doctor doesn't know nothing about Anatomy (study of body parts), Physiology (study of how the body works) and an Inflammatory process or how the healing process occurs, as it is all among the basics of Medicine practice.