Long Threads

Discussion in 'Customer Service' started by Huss, May 11, 2004.

  1. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    There have been major and minor server/database corruption problems over the last three years. Didn't BSSM even have to move to xtratime for a bit?
     
  2. ulmo

    ulmo Member

    Jul 15, 2001
    Delaware
    That was during the big crash when BS was shut down for a week or two.

    I still don't know why we can't try 200 pages for a week and if that doesn't work change it again.
     
  3. ulmo

    ulmo Member

    Jul 15, 2001
    Delaware
    Ok, so when closed here were the post counts.
    DaisyGirl B@W - 82,814
    BSSM - 5,457 (we voluntarily close at 15,000)
    Panic's D3 threads - 27,236
    CarolinaB - 17,085
    Random Thoughts - 40,845

    If we try closing at 200 pages, that's 3,000 posts. That's a pretty large reduction of what we were doing a few days ago. If it doesn't work we'll try it lower.
     
  4. djwalker

    djwalker BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 13, 2000
    The 405
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm with Ulmo.

    Not that anybody cares. I just want to be on the record.
     
  5. Shabs

    Shabs Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    NYC
    The link that JonnyQuest posted had a convo about large threads and their effects on servers, and one of the posts stated that "2,000 post threads are quite abnormal." The software used on BigSoccer is not new, its been used on plenty of other sites all over the place. So its already been "experimented" with.
     
  6. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    You just don't get it. It's not a negotiation. The folks running the system, watching the logs and loads, and working with the vendor's support team have given a limit. There's not "compromise" or "negotiation" to be made.

    If the 350 posts limit works as intended, then I suspect enforcement of the limit will become slack as long as it's not maliciously ignored. The real choice, for us - as customers - is to decide how to spend our time and money. Me? I'll stay right here.

    Having done tech support, I'll let you know that you get a lot more of what you want when you respectfully make requests - but you don't when you try to negotiate in unnegotiable situations.

    Instead of dredging up meaningless stats like a kid ("Hey the Daisy kids down the street had 60k posts while we behaved ourselves and only used 15k"), try a more respectful tack: "Well, we'll do it, but I'd appreciate it if you'd be willing to revisit the server loads in a week or two and raise the post limits if things are going well, and keep raising them until you notice any problems"

    I think you'll find that kind of response gets a lot farther with the Administrators than some of the stuff I've read in this thread.
     
  7. Captain Splarg

    Captain Splarg Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 25, 1999
    Pacific Grove, CA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, and I think i've been doing a pretty good job too...
    :)


    I think it is going along kind of nicely now. People just needed time to get used to change. People have been taking it upon themselves to start a new thread at @350 without me telling them to now. I think all this really needed was an adjustment period.

    One idea would be that maybe there could be a seperate forum where i could place the threads that have been locked, like an archive forum so that FFA doesn't get cluttered with locked threads.
     
  8. gatopreto

    gatopreto Member

    May 31, 2000
    NYC
    Says who?

    Why can't there be a negotiation?

    There are many people here, who have been posting here for many years, who have contributed to the success of this site.

    Why shouldn't we have some say in the way things are run or changed?

    It seems to me from this thread that JQ & Huss are willing to negotiate to keep their long-time, loyal members happy, and here.

    Don't our hits on this site contribute to its ad rates?


    I agree with ulmo - I think trying out a 200 page limit is a good idea.
     
  9. Captain Splarg

    Captain Splarg Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 25, 1999
    Pacific Grove, CA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    200 pages might be a bit much... that is 3000 posts afterall.
     
  10. LifeOfBrian

    LifeOfBrian New Member

    Mar 18, 2003
    Club:
    --other--
    Earlier in this thread such limits were mentioned. It came down to 100, and IIRC without scrolling back, Jesse mentioned that 50 pages were more palatable.

    So it could be 50 pages with archives or subfora. Point is, it does seem as if this discussion is coming to an end, and that Splarg is right in that thread communities are beginning to self-regulate.

    All that really remains is to put the subfora in place, with or without a higher page limit.
     
  11. Captain Splarg

    Captain Splarg Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 25, 1999
    Pacific Grove, CA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd like to keep all of the B@W, BSSM, D3, Random Thoughts still in the main FFA forum. One thing i like about them is how new people pop in a lot, i think it makes them more enjoyable. If they were moved into a special place seperate from the main FFA forum, i'm sure that the amount of new people coming in would greatly diminish, thus making them not as enjoyable in the long run.

    Again, just plugging the idea of an Archive subforum only used for placing the old threads in, while the new ones are in the main bit of FFA where they are more accessable to more people.
     
  12. LifeOfBrian

    LifeOfBrian New Member

    Mar 18, 2003
    Club:
    --other--
    Yes. I misunderstood. I reckon that would work very well :)
     
  13. elainemichelle

    elainemichelle New Member

    Jul 20, 2002
    I like Jim's idea. Just a few subforums at listed at the top of FFA, ya know?
     
  14. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You forgot the one from the Crew board that was closed for being too long:

    Fire Andrulis - 800 posts.

    Yessir, Foos is on the job, saving the BS servers from complete meltdown via 50 page threads.

    [​IMG]
     
  15. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    I hate the Illinois Nazis.

    Sachin
     
  16. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Because the limit is technical. Given time, I'm sure the "limit" will be relaxed as long as the longer threads don't appear to be negatively impacting system performance.

    If folks would just calm down, and adapt to the 350 post limit, I wouldn't be surprised to see things eventually relax a bit. Probably not to the 3000 post limit, though.

    Why does there need to be negotiation? Unless you think the Administrators "have it in" for the FFA crowd, I don't understand some of what I've seen in this thread.
     
  17. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Especially since they don't even adapt to Daily Savings Time. Hmm, sounds familiar. :D
     
  18. art

    art Member

    Jul 2, 2000
    Portland OR
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, lets be honest, so much of that stuff is just masturbation isnt it. Losing page 900 with 16 different posts about the fact that it's almost5pm so why doesent the clock good and goddamn speed up a little so i can go home isnt exactly a huge loss now is it. Is there really a huge amount of value in that stuff? It's mildly amusing, but really not terribly important.
     
  19. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    If you're involved in the thread, it is. The main thing is whether or not folks can adapt to more frequent thread changes.

    It's precisely the "can I leave work, yet" kind of banter that helps fill in the personality holes that physical seperation creates, and allows people to form strong personal communities online. Yeah, they are cliquish. Yeah, most of us don't belong. But, yeah, I think they deserve to live. And those mundane posts - which taken individually are truly worthless - are an important part of what goes on in those threads.
     
  20. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can adapt to shorter threads but I really think it will work only if we have our own subfora in FFA.

    The first page of FFA will be nothing but BSSM, B&W, etc...

    There's nothing to stop new people from popping into the subfora. We certainly don't want it to be exclusive - we just want it to be easy to manage. And not having to wade through a bunch of other stuff will make it much easier.





    Andy, am I to understand that the thread size thing is a problem with the new software and not necessarily something that was an issue with the old software? Because that would actually explain why this is just now coming up.
     
  21. Dignan23

    Dignan23 Member+

    Jul 6, 2001
    Fort Vancouver, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    1) A 50 page limit is a little thin, in that sometimes we put up 50 pages in a day. We can try to adapt, but it's nowhere near ideal. 100 would be better.

    2) I agree with Archer in that the Fire Andrulis thread should never be closed until Andrulis is fired, regardless of post limits. :D

    3) If Andy Mead ever tells you that you "just don't get it," (one of his favorite put downs), that is a sign that you do, indeed, have a clue.
     
  22. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I've asked before, and been met with silence. I don't ever recall interacting with you - even when I was a regular in BSSM. I generally ignored your sniping comments, since I had no frame of reference. What did I ever do to piss you off? What is your beef with me? Seriously, WTF is your deal?
     
  23. mpruitt

    mpruitt Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    E. Somerville
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    And we're on page 15 of this thread. You people are like freaking gypsies, travel in packs and never leave.
     
  24. alf

    alf Member+

    Jun 29, 1999
    Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Well, quit posting useless posts and they wouldn't be so long. Those 1-5 word posts= no need.
     
  25. fidlerre

    fidlerre Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    andy - why do you feel a need to defend huss and JQ? it is their website and if they would like to negotiate or talk with those involved in these threads, it's their every right. i just find it funny that you have become the "non-official" spokesperson for them on this issue and in this thread. ever thing about, ya know, letting them get a word in about all of this?
     

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