Liga Aguila News and Comments

Discussion in 'Colombia' started by crzdcolombian, Oct 6, 2014.

  1. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Isnt fault of the team.......

    The best goalies of that generation are Vargas, Castellanos and Cuadrado......very mediocre ones
     
  2. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The goalkeeper position is one of the hardest in football. It can be really tough for a team to give the starting position to a 20 or even a 22 yo. Experience is essential for a goalkeeper, and it's a shame for me to say that I understand the FPC teams, but if they want the young goalkeepers they have to get better they MUST give them the chance to play to gain the experience they so desperately need.
     
  3. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    It is a chicken or egg thing... If you see a young keeper with enough talent, you give him the car keys right away... but if not, experience is the difference maker.. but you don't gain experience unless you play every week...

    I'm not knowledgeable enough about Colombian soccer to say there are no talented young keepers, but it seems there are not obviously extraordinary talents that deserve to start above the usual suspects.. so....
     
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  4. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Yea I mean Ospina with all his fault started at Nacional at 20
     
  5. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    younger with 18

    nowadays since youth nt we notice that our options sucks...
     
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  6. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    GK a hard spot not like they get injured or gets subbed out regularly

    I am very happy how many young Colombians are getting a shot in 1st divison. 2nd div is hard to follow here in the US but think 8 of them are getting solid minutes if at least 1 of them becomes good that would be awesome.
     
  7. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Promedio de edad del equipo titular de Envigado: 22 años.

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  8. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Buen partido entre DIM y Junior. 2-2 y clasificación del DIM por el gol en Barranquilla.

    Las llaves quedaron asi:

    Nacional - Huila
    DIM - Tolima

    Buen partido para ver el nivel de Geovanny Banguera contra el mejor equipo del campeonato.
     
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  9. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
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  10. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #60 Baal88, Jun 15, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2018
    So.... The New coach of DIM is from Ecuador. Octavio Zambrano. Hopefully good? He seems to be successful and known In the MLS. In Colombia he's already coached Deportivo Pereira, and he broke the record of points in a single semester for the second division.

    Apparently he's been given the task to promote youth players, and I Hope that he's given enough time to do It. DIM has some very special talent in in the youth teams. Just a few names, Andrés Rodríguez, Juan Lobo, Brayan Carabali, Juan Cuesta, the last one is in my opinion a potential NT player in the long term, around 5 to 6 years. He's in my top 5 of Colombian U-17 talents, along with Andrés Arroyo, Gian Franco Cabezas, Dylan Borrero and Juan Alegría.

     
  11. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Ft. Myers
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    apparently managed Canada's NT. I have no clue who this guy is.

    worth a shot though, better than going with Bernal or one of the usual suspects
     
  12. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
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  13. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Suarez an option for NT????
     
  14. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    if you ask me... The only colombian coaching in the FPC that I'd give a chance in the NT would be Alberto Gamero, he probably isn't the most qualified but he has balls, and not Pinto's supposed balls, I'm talking about taking risks when it's needed. He is probably the least cowardly of all.
     
  15. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    If he hadn’t failed at Junior maybe

    But saying that what about Alexis Mendoza he was Ruedas #2. So has some
    NT experience. Wanted him for the youth team
     
  16. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    #66 Baal88, Aug 13, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2018
    He failed at junior because the team they gave him was crap and the time he was given wasn't enough. He has won titles with the other two Liga Aguila teams he has coached. If only he had been given a full 6 months to coach the team instead of firing him and giving Comesaña the team for the 15th time you could say that he was given a fair shot.

    Also if we go by your standards Alexis Mendoza also failed at Junior so he doesn't even deserve a shot with the U-20.
     
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  17. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Can I ask you guys that live in Colombia, why is attendance continuing to trend down so much? How is it that for a soccer rich country with 50million people, they can't average more than 8k to a match? Even Atl Nacional seems to be pulling in less than half of what they were doing a few years back? Most of the other stadiums are only pulling in about 15-20%.

    Is it that there is a lack of marketing and/pr promotion or the way packages are sold/put together, cost, or security, infrastructure to get to the games or what? Is the Dimayor not working closely with the clubs to tackle some of these dwindling numbers. I mean ultimately it affects everyone's pocketbook - the clubs, the players, the tv rights, the fans, the ultimate product....

    I get the fact that there is a ton of content on tv and sometimes it's better to stay at home but even the MLS who started out really small with tiny draws has managed to put together an attractive product that sells, even if they're futbol isnt at the highest level, the atmosphere and experience they are providing continues to grow and improve. This is in a country that also has a ton of resources but also fights with other major professional sports.
     
  18. Baal88

    Baal88 Member+

    May 10, 2008
    Medellin
    Club:
    Independiente Medellin
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    People don't have money to pay for the tickets. Also the supposed spectacle that the football should be has been declining lately. Nacional particularly has a very worrying trend, very big wages and very few decent performances, besides, they have the most expensive tickets in Colombia.
     
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  19. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali

    Ok but people have never really had money to pay for tickets. No difference today than 20-30 years ago. I would even make the argument that there is a higher (albeit still small) middle class today than there was back then.

    If by 'supposed spectacle is declining', you mean the product on the field is of less quality now than it was even 5 years ago, that's hard to judge. In theory, in that same amount of time, we've had many Colombian clubs reach last 16 stages in Copa Sud and Copa Lib, so we know the talent still exists. I do understand the drop off for Atl Nacional but this is a team in latter stages of CL and a team who still managed to make the final of it's league, so while one could justify a drop in attendance, more than half, is a bit overdone.

    Is there little promotion for matches? Is the 'fan' experience pre-game not ideal?
     
  20. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Millonarios have the most expensive ones actually......and the same problem.......there is also a beef between barras and the chief.


    https://www.bluradio.com/deportes/p...-se-podria-entrar-un-partido-en-europa-168335

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  21. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
  22. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    El presidente de Millonarios esta completamente en contra de las barras......entonces creo que lo de los precios puede ser hasta un "filtro de ñeros". Sacaron a los comandos azules de la tribuna norte.

    Hace unos años fui a un conversatorio en mi Universidadm¿, el que asistieron los presidentes de Millonarios, Nacional y el de la Universidad Catolica de Chile. Los 3 equipos explicaron sus ingresos ......y el de chile se sorprendio que la mayor parte de los ingresos de los colombianos viniera de las entradas,

    En el de lso chilenos tenian mas ingresos por formación de jugadores y otros conceptos de marca......y derechos de tv.........>No se si los colombianos ahora van por esa via.

    Las directivas de nacional y millonarios.....estaban muy de la mano en lo de gestion de derechos de tv en la dimayor
     
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  23. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Really? Every once in a while they would show the Chilean league and they would look worse, nearly empty stadiums.

    So other than support the local team by showing up and proving a constant support with songs, chants, etc., do the "barras" provide more good than bad? I mean do you think are the barras are the main reason for the violence in and out of the stadiums and/or for providing an environment that's too toxic for families that would pay for their tix otherwise? TV rights, branding and sponsorship is definitely where the big money is but you lose leverage when you can't justify that your product can't even bring people to the stadium.
     
  24. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Is Dep Cali usIng their stadium? Isn’t it a pain in the ass to get to
     
  25. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    yes they played there.......and you should know because benedetti your favorite player that you watch always, play there every weekend.
     
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