Libertarian Fail

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  1. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
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    https://wchstv.com/news/election-results

    Beshear received 709,673 votes.
    Bevin received 704,523 votes.
    The LP received 28,426 votes.
    For a total of 1442622 votes.

    In the Secretary of State race (the next on the ballot), the Democrat received:
    681,872 votes, while the Republican received:
    745,412 votes, or:
    1427284 votes.

    The difference in roll-off between the first and second races is 15,338. The Democrat in the Sec of State race received 27,801 fewer votes than Beshear, while the Republican received 40,889 more votes than Bevin.

    Those Libertarians didn't all not vote in the Secretary of State Race, but a lot of Republicans felt comfortable with down-ticket races (and in Kentucky you can ask just to vote the straight-party ticket) but not with Bevin, and a large number of people voted Libertarian.

    Interestingly, in less competitive races, a lot more people voted Libertarian, apparently at the expense of the Democrats (check the Ag Commissioner race, for example).
     
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  2. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
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    Red Paul did it:


     
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  3. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    The whistleblower's identity is the worst keep secret on the internet. If you don't know it by now you aren't paying attention.
     
  4. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
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    So who is it? Does his name rhyme with Dee-Lish?

    So much for the idea that if you see something, you should say something. According to The Party Of Law And Odor, "snitched get stitches."
     
  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Rand Paul's a traitor. Libertarian movement takes another L
     
  6. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Colombia
    The best argument to not vote third party:


    1192127465361199109 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    I looked at the numbers, and my first thought is that there sure are a hell of a lot of swing voters in Kentucky. The GOP AG candidate ran very strong.

    So just looking at the numbers as a layman, I couldn’t see anything. But you’ve got that statistical wizardry, so you might be able to find something.

    Nvm
     
  8. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    That is the best 3rd parties can do in the current system. Good for them.
     
  9. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

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    Total of 1,425,561 votes in the 3rd race.

    The democrat got 107,628 less votes than the Democratic Governor.

    That meant that about 7% (my math may be a bit off) of voters split their ticket in favor of the Democrat governor.

    Or if we look at the Republican side, 118,500 voters picked the republican for attorney General, but then voted for the Democrat for governor (in theory), that is about 16% of all Republican voters split their vote.

    This tells my untrained mind, that split ticket voters are a bigger effect on swinging elections than 3rd party voters.
     
  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    BTW, if anyone thinks that McConnell may be in trouble in KY, just look at all the other races in the link that American Brumie posted.

    Straight Republican shut out.

    You can take the positive of the Suburbs, and how that may transfer to more swing states, but Kentucky is still solid red.
     
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  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    I don’t think he’s in trouble. But I do think he will be tied down in Kentucky.
     
  12. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    Not you but random people with blue check marks on Twitter that were retweeted by the old Chicago red stars ticket rep does.

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    But reading the comments they do say McConnell is also very unpopular in KY.

    So perhaps he is not as safe as I would imagine.
     
  13. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    I’m pretty sure Dowd is a either a Never Trumper GOPer, or a Country Over Party guy. (There’s literally a group called Country Over Party.)
     
  14. raza_rebel

    raza_rebel Member+

    Dec 11, 2000
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    Bevin is one of the least popular governors in the country.

    I would say he lost solely due to 3 things:
    1- He gutted the KyNect, the Kentucky version of the affordable health care act. It was a model program for the rest of the country. (I'm positive I mentioned it here in the past).
    2-He lowered taxes but jacked up tolls.
    3- He tried to gut all state pension programs, starting with the teachers, the strongest in the state. I know I mentioned it here, but Bevin introduced a mundane sewage bill, it passed the house, then they completely replaced the words, didn't allow anyone look at it, voted on the state senate, and got it passed.

    He then tried to place the blame of tje shooting of a little girl directly ar the feet of a teacher's strike - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/26/us/matt-bevin-kentucky-teacher.html
     
  15. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    OH!, LiberTARIAN................never mind.
     
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  16. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    So you’re saying he’s wildly unpopular for doing Republican things. The above is practically their national platform.
     
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  17. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    What that suggests to me is that most Republican voters like the idea of being Republican but don't actually like the politics of Republicans. It's an identify, a brand, an affiliation.
     
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  18. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Colombia
    Yup. I hate when my team parks the bus and winds the clock down.


    Unless we're winning. Then we're playing a master game.
     
  19. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    From Ellis and Stimson (2012):

     
  20. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    So the trick is to be a "Republican" who acts like a Democrat, trying to pass progressive legislation and all that. Maybe the new mascot should be a different animal from the elephant. Maybe a hippo or something like that, but with horns...
     
  21. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    Republican In Name Only mascot rep.
     
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  22. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
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    Chicago Fire
    "Oh. Now I get it" rep
     
  23. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

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    May 4, 2006
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    United States
    How about one of these? The fact that they're extinct is a nice touch too.

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  24. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Now that's a badass looking animal!
     
  25. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Libertarians need a mascot

    ScornfulWateryAfricanmolesnake-max-1mb.gif
     
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