Libertarian Fail

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  1. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    That is not crazy and it is true.

    1) There are way more college educated people (as a percentage of the population) now than two generations ago.

    2) Many are young and unemployed/underemployed.
    Think of the millions of millennials working in stores, bars, coffee stores named after Battlestar Galactica characters, offices, Best Buy, driving for "drive share" companies, etc. waiting for their "break" to come along.
    Not to mention the hundreds of thousands living in their parents' basements, playing PS4 all day and, perhaps, enjoy a bit of herb now and then.
    The vast majority have college degrees and the vast majority are loyal Democrats.

    I am not all surprised that the percentage is 14.3%.
     
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  2. ToMhIlL

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    Feb 18, 1999
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    Not only millennials and people who (hopefully) will be in better professional situations a few years from now. This would also include "low income" people with college degrees such as teachers and social workers and other professions that require education but don't pay as well as some other jobs.
     
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  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Yep. Professional do gooders are reliably Democratic (as well as mostly female).
     
  4. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    The article as far as I can tell did not specify the income level of the lower income people.

    The use the top 2 quartiles as defined by the link below (above 77K) for high income.

    https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/household-income-quintiles

    I am not sure if by low income they mean the bottom 3 quartiles (below 77K) or the bottom 2 quartiles (below 47K)

    I think most teachers with a few years of experience are above 47K, at least in cities. The link below has starting salary by state, national average is 39K so that is above the 2nd quartile mean, but about 8K from the upper limit.

    http://www.nea.org/home/2017-2018-average-starting-teacher-salary.html
     
  5. dapip

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    Sep 5, 2003
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    1191519589676572677 is not a valid tweet id
     
  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Well Trump's droopy ol' balls won't lick themselves
     
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  7. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
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    1191783574921498624 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    At least Red & Dotard agree 100% on ME drone strikes, right?
     
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  9. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Andy Beshear is governor, Matt Bevin is not, and hundreds of thousands of Kentuckians will keep their health insurance, because a Libertarian ran for the seat and took away 28,000 votes, and I'm willing to bet that most of those 28k would have voted for a Republican over a Democrat were there only two options.
     
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  10. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    Why? Bevin is very unpopular. That is why he lost. You give us libertarians way to much credit. When the unpopular Democrat loses it is because of libertarians (boo libertarians are bad), when the unpopular Republican loses it is because of libertarians (hooray, libertarians are great).
     
  11. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    You're not a libertarian.
     
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  12. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    Funny, since you once claimed the moniker. You are not a libertarian.
     
  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    The only way to solve this is with PKs, gentlemen. Unless you prefer drone joysticks and best out of 10 takes the Libertarian label.
     
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  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    Are you tweaking us liberals, or do you have data on this?

    I don’t think Beshear is an existential threat to Kentucky democracy, so I’m not sure tweaking would be on point.
     
  15. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    I miss the old days when if someone impugned your reputation you could simply challenge them to a duel at twenty paces (yes I am that old).
     
  16. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Until the Republicans try to strip the governor of his powers, have sessions with no quorum, filibuster, vandalize, cheat and steal, like they have done in other states (WI and NC) come to mind.
     
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  17. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    A Florida library wont carry the NY Times because its mean to Trump. That certainly qualifies as a librarian failure.
     
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  18. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    Au contraire, this has nothing to do with libertarianism, but your post certainly qualifies as a fail.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    What really annoys me about the grifters like Rand Paul is I am way more libertarian than those guys.

    Now before Timon's head explodes, I actually came up under Thatcher Turbo Triple +++ Capitalism

    Sweeping dereg, financial liberalisation, privatisation, user pays, slashing of the social safety net etc etc

    Some of it was bad, but also some of it was really important reform.

    As an entrepreneur who has started multiple businesses and hired a lot of people down the years I believe in free markets and hate crony capitalism.

    Especially I am sick to death of my taxes subsidising the poverty wages paid by multi-billion pound businesses.

    But yeah - i am not full muppet. I don't believe free markets are the right solution for all aspects of society. I believe in alternate distributive means like Universal Income. I believe new modes like the sharing economy / collaborative commons will continue to develop and become way less shit.

    But all jokes aside I am just fed up with the frauds like Paul who are just crooks.

    IMO fundamental to libertarian free markets is the rule of law must apply. When my dude is just rubber stamping crime and corruption in broad daylight he is just one more grifter.
     
  20. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
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    Atlanta
    @Timon19 now both Jitty and Brummie are claiming the libertarian moniker. We do indeed live in interesting times.
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    Read better.
     
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  22. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    "We can't win anything, but since we spoil one of you guys all the time, you should pass some legislation we like"

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  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I came up in one of the most libertarian business environments of the time. I think NZ and if memory serves me, Estonia, were the shining lights of the deregulated market economy

    We never finished our reforms. As the tradeoff for all of the user pays and loss of pensions etc, we were to enact a 21% flat tax

    But then the devastating stock market crash of 1987 scuppered all progress.

    Nevertheless we moved from a rigid economy with wage and price freeze and 66% top marginal rate to a fiercely competitive free market system.
     
  24. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Kentucky division of elections site is down, but once all the numbers are up I'll compare statewide and county totals in races that didn't have a Libertarian candidate to see how the vote percentages/roll-off broke down.

    Assume I'm going to try to back up my argument.
     
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  25. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Clever. These librarian jokes in the libertarian thread never get old.

    Librarian or libertarian?:
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