Leveraged Sellout - The Arsenal Finance Thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Rewinder, Sep 14, 2008.

  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    So we are tracking towards the first billion euro turnover teams in terms of the big 3, with sides like Bayern, PSG and City not far behind

    You worry that Arsenal is stagnant and will have only 50-66% of that turnover

     
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  2. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    On field performance has killed us

    Utd brand grew at the right time, sad really because they are ran by clowns and should be where we are
     
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  3. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't we used to be ensconced in the top 6 of this list? When was the last time we were out of the top 10?
     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Without CL we are screwed

    Utd will jump once they get back in.
     
  5. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Outside of United, winning leads to more revenue.
     
  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Deep CL runs delivered 70-80m for Liverpool & Spurs

    If Utd achieve that they will be up at Barca level. It is hurting them to the thick end of 100m per season
     
  7. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
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    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    The difference in commercial value between Chelsea and Arsenal supports this theory.
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    When you pay huge money for rubbish players/performance

    This also goes to show just how inflated premier league salaries are now

    Arsenal has like 2 genuine stars?

     
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  9. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally I count 1 (Auba). Everyone else is not. At least not at the moment.
     
  10. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    That thread is depressing reading. What a mess.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Ozil is obviously on star money
     
  12. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously. He's on Galactico money.

    But you said we have "2 genuine stars" (not "2 people on genuine star money")... thus my prior reply.
     
  13. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just getting around to this (latest?) ArsenalVision podcast from 10 days ago. Anyway it's all focused on ownership issues and I found it surprisingly refreshing, compared to all the myriad shutdown/training/restart discussions which had become pretty stale I thought.

    Listen to Episode 371 - In The Spotlight - KSE from Arsenal Vision Post Match Podcast on Apple Podcasts. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/arsenal-vision-post-match-podcast/id946748561?i=1000475022813

    The first part is an interview of Matt (@Giantgooner) who I'm not sure I'd heard before, but I found pretty impressive. The second part, which I'm listening to right now, is the regular crew debating ownership issues.
     
  14. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yeah the AV episode is interesting. GiantGooner’s conclusion that Arsenal could be on the market in a year sounds right.

    Not sure who I’d want to see buy Arsenal: maybe Red Bull?
     
  15. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Red Bull... hmm. That would be kind of funny, since my second team has been MetroStars/NYRB. And we're already Red & White which fits perfectly... until they try to rename us RB London, or Arsenal RB. :eek:

    I know they're fairly reviled in much of Germany, outside of Leipzig, but I guess that's mostly because of the particular club ownership rules there.

    Even with my NYRB connection, I'm far from an expert on RB Football Group (or whatever they're called). But I have to say that they have done some admirable things, including:
    • Built a terrific stadium in Harrison NJ (but then have completely failed to get butts in seats and I worry about the clubs economics)
    • Developed a good academy which has produced a lot of good (and saleable) players
    • Hired some pretty good coaches, who won us 3 Supporters Shields... OK not the ultimate goal, but still pretty impressive
    • And in Germany/Austria, have had some real success challenging/winning the top league
    • Seem to have a pretty consistent & positive philosophy between their various teams, which facilitates moving players/staff around sometimes, including Tyler Adams & Jesse Marsch
     
  16. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't hate being associated with the RB teams as long as they don't try to rebrand us. That said, their MO has been to buy lower level (ie cheaper) teams or new franchises and spend to get them competitive. Doubt they would come after Arsenal assuming they have any interest in the EPL at all.
     
  17. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, RB is generally hated in Germany because they bought a low level team (Leipzig) with little to no BPL history and gained promotion through the levels by offering higher salaries and generally out spending each level until they made it to the BPL. The German fans are all about history and tradition in soccer. Had Leipzig worked their way up over 10-20 years few would have had any issues.

    Now that they are in the BPL they are staying competitive with good coaching and very smart buys. I actually really like their organization and how the team is being run.
     
  18. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bundesliga = BPL?? I've never heard/seen that before.
     
  19. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. Not sure if that is entirely correct but I've seen it referenced like that before and would rather type 3 letters than the full name.
     
  20. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And some quick poking around proves that is not a valid abbreviation. Soooo... I guess I stop using that moving forward.
     
  21. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BL? ;)
     
  22. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Bpl is what non English people call the premier league even though it should be epl
     
  23. bandwagongooner

    bandwagongooner Member+

    Dec 9, 2006
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those are marketing bootlickers who call it Barclay's Premier League
     
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  24. chjoak

    chjoak Member+

    Jun 17, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was born & raised in the US (approx 35% British ancestry though) and I have always referred to it as the EPL. Only time I even think about "Barclay's" is when I see/hear it in the FIFA games and typically I just gloss over that.
     
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  25. thebigman

    thebigman Member+

    May 25, 2006
    Birmingham
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    It was sponsored by carling for ourbest years

    shortest beer ever
     

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