Let's try to define what "development' really is here inside BigSoccer

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by smontrose, May 1, 2019.

  1. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Are you at Cadence SC :eek:
     
  2. That's the reason why the Dutch KNVB has the policy implemented that parents and coach has to stay at a certain distance from the pitch so they can't hinder the kids with constant yelling at them.
     
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  3. Toe Poke

    Toe Poke Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Dec 11, 2018
    The term “Academy” does get thrown around by clubs to attract players. When most are referring to it here it is the “Development Academy” who are certain clubs throughout the country.

    Go to ussoccerda.com to see the league and clubs being referred to. So if you ever play against these clubs you would not be playing against their “Academy” team, but a lower team in the club. But the kids are still paying a lot more than $300!

    Also, the parent-coach model is tough. It usually doesn’t work out. The player can become resentful of the parent, or other players and parents perceive favoritism. Even if the parent-coaches player is the best player there can be conversations about why the player always gets to... play a position, take free kicks, doesn’t sub out, or whatever. Just my experience and observation. And I did say “usually.”
     
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  4. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    When my kid was filler she would often play an outside wing role. She would complain too me that she rarely got passes and I would tell her that is because she is not in a advantageous position to receive one. From then on I noticed her coach not instructing her during games at all - not telling her to push up for example.

    Last two games of the season I coached her from the sideline. I figured if he was not going to do his job I would and I welcomed a discussion on it.

    So while I get Cantona's jam on parents, it's likely only accurate a certain percentage of the time. I think if you have a coach who is working to achieve what the OP outlined then yes - sit back and enjoy. But no coach is perfect - at least I have never met one.
     
  5. pu.ma

    pu.ma Member

    Feb 8, 2018
    Yep. I'm a big proponent of rotating players through all positions and equal playing time especially at the younger ages. I know there is the theory of positioning the stongest players up the spine to keep the shape and maintain possession, etc, etc but often these players are not distributing and just end up with the majority of touches. Great if you are the parent of the star player, but you really notice when your kid is the filler as you say. I've experienced both and the latter really ticks me off.
     
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  6. Cantona's Eyebrow

    Dirty Leeds
    Togo
    Oct 8, 2018
    That's incorrect. I can think of at least one.
     
  7. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One reason we gave up on my son's first club was because the star players just would not use the wings at all, and the coaches seemed OK with that. Very much a case of the 'star' players in the middle thinking everybody else was their supporting cast. To be clear, this was doing none of the players any favors, the team played far too narrow and the "stars" didn't learn positioning or how to use space.
     
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  8. ppierce34

    ppierce34 Member

    Aug 29, 2016
    Fort Wayne, IN
    Not coaching diagonal balls into space to the wings is a detriment to the kids development.
     
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  9. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly.

    That team was young, but increasingly a couple of kids had become the focus and were more or less empowered by the coaches to make it all about them. Not because of any ill intent mind you, just a misguided effort to maximize team success AND frankly get the two biggest egos/most competitive kids on the team to be fully vested.

    The 'star' of that team had oodles of talent at a young age, but by the time he finished HS it was clear he'd stopped developing as a player by the time he was 12. Still holding the ball way too long, trying to dribble past everybody.
     
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  10. ppierce34

    ppierce34 Member

    Aug 29, 2016
    Fort Wayne, IN
    12 is right around the time that stops working.
     
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  11. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member

    Business Metrics SC
    Apr 26, 2012
    I don't know, seems like the kid was playing for his HS, it was working on someone, just not defenders :)
     
  12. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Big fish, small pond by the end.
     
  13. EverRespect

    EverRespect New Member

    Apr 11, 2015
    Club:
    --other--
    My son is 10 and it already stopped working against good teams. Our league/division last season was way to easy and the difference between the players putting up all the stats in a 8-0 league blowout vs a 2-1 tournament game is staggering. Good news is the coach noticed and made good choices for the A and B teams next season. Our leading scorer didn't make the A team because he is absolutely detrimental to the team whenever we play someone decent.
     

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