Lets fire Low now!!!

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Raumdeuter, Jul 13, 2014.

  1. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think we need to change the philosophy of the team, get rid of some older players and restructure the youth system.

    keep making back passes and squared passes for the sake of possession is stupid, and it really discourage some of our more creative players. They dont take risk and make a more adventurous pass, they are too comfortable and easy.

    We can no longer play possession football and high line defense. Its mainly because we lack some of the important elements in possession football: Pressing, mobility, off-the-ball movement, discipline. Without the required pressing, we cant play high line

    If the old and young players dont get along, always prefer the younger ones. Experience is overrated and the older players actually lack the hunger after winning the WC in 2014.

    We need to end the false 9 experiments ASAP, we need to develop strikers. We have a big bunch of deep-lying playmakers like Kroos, Gundogan and co. But we start to use a destroyer in the midfield a bit more. That should be the change in our youth ranks

    I hope we will see this team in 2020:

    ------------------------------ter Stegen
    ----Kimmich---------Sule----------Rudiger----------Max
    ---------------------------------Kehrer
    -----------------------Emre Can-----Kroos
    ----Gnabry------------------Fullkrug--------------------Sane

    sub:

    GK) Leno, Horn

    RB) Weiser
    CB) Vogt, Ginter
    LB) Hector

    CM) Goretzka, Weigl, Gundogan

    Wing/AM) Brandt, Havertz

    CF) Selke, Timo Werner
     
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  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  3. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gun-dawg is an 8 specialising in final third entries and offensive carries?
     
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  4. saj7866

    saj7866 Member

    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    For city he plays as a deep lying play maker, but they have a system where they all seem to interchange, that's the problem with loew he seems clueless, whilst gardiolas system is so fluid
     
  5. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Löw also has a system where all midfielders fluidly interchange. Sometimes, Kroos and Khedira go forward, but sometimes Khedira and Kroos go forward. And occasionally, one of them goes forward, while the other goes missing.
     
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  6. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    yeah - but also Guardiola plays with a dedicated 6 and fullbacks that support the midfield
     
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  7. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It helps when your players dont hate each other
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Karo Viertel
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I find Hummels to be the only guy acting like a proper leader - but maybe the others don't like him?

    My theory about team mates not being on the Kroos train also seems to be correct.

    Khedira never should have been selected as far as he goes
     
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  9. Karl-Heinz Riedle

    Aug 27, 2009
    Dublin, Ireland
    Club:
    Cork City
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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    interesting that Kovac said this

    Feels like he knows modern football better than Loew

    He knows this and Loew doesn’t
     
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  10. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    maybe he is just a decent man with honest opinion. He always gives me impression he is a good guy as a person. That mistake (leaving earlier in a match) was just a mistake people makes in life. Shame that Loew doesn't forgive mistake of other people while he has made so many mistakes himself. I always think Kuranyi in his prime could have contributed a lot to the national team.
     
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  11. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    I read somewhere that the former assistant coach Flick will be back to national team, is it true?
     
  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    According to the 'Frankfurter Rundschau', an analysis made by Joachim Loew and Oliver Bierhoff, "that the departure of assistant Hansi Flick after the 2014 World Cup as a glue between national coach, players and the so-called team behind the team has torn a much larger gap , as all those involved admitted so far ".

    they also say that him returning for a role is possible.

    It's been obvious for awhile that Schneider and Sorg are useless.
     
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  13. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    I had notcied long ago that after Schneider's appointment, the national team had played a lot slower than the past when Flick was the assistant coach...
     
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  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    also Flick is the reason as to why we scored so many set pieces in WC14.

    from Bild awhile ago.
    Low has learned this year who he can rely on - and who not. That goes for his coaching team as well as for the players. Gratitude will play no role in the next international match on 6 September against France, but only performance.
     
  15. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    Sometimes I can't understand why Loew can't give people a second chance, people like Kuranyi, Kruse or Stefan Kießling, or even Patrick Helmes, it seems a player once is disgarded for whatever reason, he will never be given a second chance by Loew even the player is playing well, I just don't get this thinking at all... the list of these players is long: Kramer, Bender brothers the most recent one
     
  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    it's because he blacklists them, it's obvious he never liked those players to begin with. Guys he likes he keeps around.
     
  17. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    That is just not right, a top manager or coach should be able to work with people whom he doesn't like, personal feeling should give way to the benifit of the team, that not only apply to players, but also coach himself...
     
  18. Dr Faust

    Dr Faust Member+

    Jul 12, 2010
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It's quite easy to understand: He is a sadistic asshole who uses stupid, often constructed reasons to get rid of people who "disobeyed" him. Kuranyi on the other hand is a nice and friendly simpleton, who acts like an ill-treated dog and comes back time and time again, hoping for one last caress.
     
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  19. Lewisfromuk

    Lewisfromuk Member

    Bayer Leverkusen
    Germany
    May 15, 2018
    your analogy is a bit extrem regarding Kuranyi though I agree mostly. Kuranyi indeed is a nice and friendly simpleton.
     
  20. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Brandt, MaTS, Sule and Goretzka were the key men from that squad who made the WC. I imagine all 4 of them were upset about not starting. Especially when our midfield and wingers (Khedira, Mueller, Draxler) were performing like dogshit.
     
  21. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  22. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Nevermind.

    This ones for apologists like @Dage @Rosebud and @The Jitty Slitter

    "We never forced players to do something, but always tried to convince them in the matter. In the case of Mesut we failed."

    Meanwhile Khedira confirmed "the whole matter had been a very big issue within the team".

    Bierhoff went on to differentiate between Özil and Gündogan: "Gündogan went on to be openly speaking about the matter. And still he continuously was criticized as hard as Özil.

    https://www.sport1.de/fussball/fifa...=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1530809480
     
  23. White/Blue_since1860

    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Woah the press didnt take it well. Some say Bierhoff just kicked Özil from the NT
     
  24. F96

    F96 Member+

    Oct 24, 2002
    Skåne
    Club:
    Hannover 96
  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    @Lewisfromuk


    it needs to be done, those guys are not good enough. If Flick's role was as stated above than he was an important piece of the 2014 WC win.
     

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