PBP: La Liga Santander - Jornada 37 - Las Palmas v. FC Barcelona - 14 May 2017

Discussion in 'Barcelona' started by Gilmango, May 11, 2017.

  1. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2nd to last Liga match, 3rd to last match of the season, last away match given Calderon is a neutral venue for Copa del Rey final. Another must win to try to keep pressure on Real, though they control their own fate and need to drop 3 points (out of their last 3 games) for us to have a shot.
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    Slightly early game on Sunday:
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    at their place:
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    Spanish islands but way closer to Africa then any part of Spain:[​IMG]
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    Lineup prediction::
    MAtS
    Mascherano-Pique-Umtiti-Alba
    Raki-Busi-Ini
    M-S-N

    Alba gets a bit of a free role so it looks more like this on offense:
    ----Masch - Pique - Umtiti
    -----------------Busi
    Raki --------------Ini
    -----------Messi ----------Alba
    ---------Suarez-----Neymar


    Score prediction: we win 1-3.

    Card update: Roberto suspended with 5th Yellow
    Card Count:
    4: Alba, Umtiti
    3:/8. Gomes, Busquets (8), Suarez (8)
     
  2. illusion

    illusion Member+

    Aug 26, 2005
    From Hell
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Last two La Liga games under Lucho.

    Valverde era is next, I rate him higher than Lucho.
     
  3. MavadoDribblez

    MavadoDribblez Member+

    Feb 7, 2008
    Ontario
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Well, earlier in the season Sampaoli was a name being thrown around here as the next successor, and look what happened. Imagine ForzaBarca as a Sevilla fan this season :p

    Point is, managers can look great on paper, but may not help achieve the desired results. To say that you rate him higher than Lucho is a little unfair given Valverde hasn't managed the type of egos that are on the team as yet.
     
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  4. illusion

    illusion Member+

    Aug 26, 2005
    From Hell
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    On paper? why? what happened to Sampaoli? He is still rated very high and did a very good job given the limited resources. Can you name one world class player playing for Sevilla? 50% wins with limited resources and his first year in Europe is something belong to a resume of very top managers. Lucho got hired on 37% wins, not even sure why he was hired.

    As for Valverde, not my choice at all but like I said, I rate him much higher than Luis for sure.
     
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  5. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Pique hasn't trained all week and is doubtful .

    Jese talking trash still trying to get RMs attention. They dump him and he is still kissing their ass.
     
  6. MavadoDribblez

    MavadoDribblez Member+

    Feb 7, 2008
    Ontario
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Samir Nasri? :D

    My point wasn't necessarily against hiring Sampaoli or Valverde. My point is that on these boards there are usually wild claims and opinions (which are valid in most cases), in this case rating Valverde higher than Lucho. Yes, Lucho has his flaws, and he did lose a few matches with his bizarre lineups that made no sense, but he still won two (maybe a third, but not very likely) leagues, a Champions League and a treble. He loses a lot of marks for insisting on putting Gomes in so often too.

    You are quoting statistics such as Sampaoli winning 50% of his games this season compared to Lucho winning 37% of the games prior to coming here, but did you compare the squads or leagues? That would be pretty much impossible to do.

    Similarly, I could use statistics to say that Lucho is better than Valverde because he won all those trophies. Now, the argument against would be "well, Lucho had MSN etc", but so what?

    Next year if Valverde comes, the same star players will be here, and he may win trophies, but again Messi will have a big say. Let's say the team all of a sudden looks better and wins the league, then maybe there is a claim Valverde is better than Lucho. To make that statement now, seems a little far fetched, given we haven't seen Valverde in a similar role before.

    One of the sentiments around here being made a few seasons ago when Munir burst on the scene, was people being upset that we hadn't locked Munir up longer, or that he didn't have a higher buy out clause.

    Anyhow, I didn't want to get into this long of a discussion, because I don't want to argue, but I do respect the fact that you have an opinion and even if I find it odd, it doesn't mean it's wrong. Thanks for reading.
     
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  7. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Must win and hope real lose
     
  8. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sevilla has an awful away record. Plus I think they've lost a bunch of consecutive games at the Bernabeu. So no chance ... :sneaky: :ninja:
     
  9. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #9 Gilmango, May 13, 2017
    Last edited: May 13, 2017
    Just read that Pique has not trained this week, he has a stomach virus, if he misses out Marlon likely makes squad. Not sure of Mathieu's injury status but also could see him being too deep in Lucho's doghouse to play. UPDATE Mathieu OUT. Trouble is w Roberto suspended we would need Masch at RB and at CB. Could see Rakitic or Denis or DIgne at RB or Marlon at CB. No easy answers if Pique out plus Roberto suspended and Vidal Rafinha and Mathieu all injured. Or a 3 defender back line of Masch Umtiti and Alba (or Marlon).
     
  10. illusion

    illusion Member+

    Aug 26, 2005
    From Hell
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    This is not a hypothesis and it's much simpler if you compare how much the manager improved the same team from the previous season. Roma did worse under him in the league and was KO of Europa league playoff round against small team Slovan Bratislava. While he did improve Celta's position in the League in 2013 from 13th to 9th but the previous manager Paco Herrera 3 years period at Celta had much higher win% with a less talented squad who were more or less the same team from Segunda division. Celta bought Nolito, Rafinha, Charles and Fontas in the summer of 2013. Another take is, Tata would have won at least the league if not UCL if he had just V.Valdes instead of Pinto as the goalkeeper. It's an argument can seem superficially convincing but Tata could have lost both titles even with VV. That's why some statistics makes sense and others don't.
     
  11. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Miracle,must have miracle
     
  12. illusion

    illusion Member+

    Aug 26, 2005
    From Hell
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    They are missing 4 starters
     
  13. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sevilla ?
     
  14. illusion

    illusion Member+

    Aug 26, 2005
    From Hell
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yes, Iborra, Sarabia, Ferreira, and Rami
     
  15. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Back in May 2007 situation was similar. Barca needed Real to drop points.
    Espanyol (of all teams :rolleyes:) went to the Bernabeu four days before they were to play in the UEFA Cup final so they rested their entire starting XI.
    The reserves played the game of their lives and led in the second half 3-1. But they ended up losing in the final minutes 4-3.
    Got to grab on to any hope one can find. :thumbsup:
     
  16. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
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  17. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    #17 puyol, May 14, 2017
    Last edited: May 14, 2017
    --------------------mats-------------------
    Digne-----Masch------Umtiti--------Alba----
    ------------------Busi------------
    ---Rakitic---------------iniesta----------
    Messi---------Suarez-----------Neymar

    if digne plays as a winger on the left wing and we play with 3 defenders in the back that might be a problem on the counters , how the hell don't we have a rightback from Barca B ?!?!

    nevermind looks like Masch is injured , same formation but masch changed with marlon
     
  18. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Digne already booked. Could've been red.
     
  19. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Should have been a red card.
     
  20. Forzabarca

    Forzabarca Guest

    Ouch! Lucky one there..
     
  21. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    digne escapes red , he isn't a rightback why is he even there to begin with , jeez grab a RB from barca B ffs ..
     
  22. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    We'd be screaming red if that was M, S or N.
     
  23. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Some would be screaming conspiracy if it was ... :whistling:

    That's why I say, it's mainly about big teams getting calls.
     
  24. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    We should assume updates from that other game are okay.
    1-0
     
  25. Forzabarca

    Forzabarca Guest

    Nacho scores for LPB so just forget about it.
     

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