I think we have to remember these are average ratings and it's not quite the same as asking the publication who they think are the best star players at that time. That said, obviously great attacking players can achieve consistently high ratings/good averages; sometimes they can have a big impact without doing so though. Actually Butragueno not being in the top 50 is perhaps even more surprising than Lineker's rating judging by his reputation and form at that time and the Ballon D'or results for '86 and '87. International games (such as Lineker's hat-trick vs Spain) or games in Europe (could be positive for Butragueno) wouldn't count towards these ratings though of course.
I believed Lineker was used as a wideforward position in liga for most games and of course it was not his forte' ... which is goal poacher inbox striker
I am refer to this rating and if its processing is reliable, the result imply Lineker was by far not in his top form.
I C ... most the times, these ratings are more like indication (for me) rather than accurately rating in number per se ... I meant it was not neccessary the ones with higher rates would (or were) best players in those seasons, but rather they had a great season (by their book) Like you said ... the rating "indicated" lIneker have not had a very good years in Liga ...
I think he began to play as a wide forward when Cruyff became manager but in 86/87 he was playing as a striker including scoring a hat-trick vs Real Madrid I believe.
Considering most used players for the 86/87 season (when Venables was Barca's DT) The usual formation was: -------------Zubizarreta Gerardo---Migueli---Moratalla---Julio Alberto -----Victor-----Roberto-----Caldere --Lineker--------Hughes---------Carrasco Or if it was 4-4-2: Carrasco & Caldere being side mids and britains as a twin strikers.
Yeah the 4 3 3 was Cruyff favorite formation. But agree with you (and Puck) that some games they played as 4 4 2 (diamond I think) with Lineker as striker. Still, most games were in 4 3 3
Don Balon Ranking: Season 1987-88 Since season 1987-88 the championship was played with 20 teams in a home-away matches, making a total of 38 rounds. Also, in some years due to inclusion of some players with few matches (21-23) in the top-50, i include other names with lower ranking but more games played.
Don Balon Ranking: Season 1987-88 Season 1987-88 PLAYER-----------CLUB-------ROLE-----COUNTRY---GAMES---AVG. 01) Jon Andoni LARRAÑAGA----Real Sociedad----Midfielder----Spain----37----1.97 02) Esteve FRADERA-------------------------Sabadell----Defender----Spain----30----1.89 03) CARMELO Navarro-------------------------Cádiz----Defender----Spain----36----1.86 04) Luis ARCONADA----------------------Real Sociedad----Keeper----Spain----38----1.85 05) Javier MATÉ-------------------------------Celta de Vigo----Keeper----Spain----37----1.83 06) JOAQUÍN Alonso-------------------Sporting Gijón----Midfielder----Spain----38----1.76 07) Santi BAKERO II----------------------Real Sociedad----Forward----Spain----33----1.75 08) ALEMAO; Ricardo de Brito----Atlético Madrid----Midfielder----Brazil----31----1.74 09) Manuel SANCHÍS----------------------Real Madrid----Defender----Spain----33----1.72 10) MICHEL Gonzalez-------------------Real Madrid----Midfielder----Spain---- 35----1.70 11) Hugo SÁNCHEZ-------------Real Madrid----Forward----Mexico----36----1.67 12) Jesús María ZAMORA----Real Sociedad----Midfielder----Spain---- 35----1.67 13) ROBERTO Santamaría----------------Osasuna----Keeper----Spain----31----1.66 14) Rubén SOSA---------------------Zaragoza----Forward----Uruguay----36----1.65 15) Joaquín VILLA----------------Sporting Gijón----Forward----Spain----26----1.65 16) Antonio OREJUELA----------------Mallorca----Midfielder----Spain----36----1.65 17) Fernando GINER---------------------Valencia----Defender----Spain----28----1.64 18) QUIQUE; Enrique Sánchez--------Valencia----Defender----Spain----21----1.61 19) NOLY; Manuel Alonso------Celta de Vigo----Midfielder----Spain----31----1.61 20) James HAGAN----------------Celta de Vigo----Defender----England----38----1.61 21) JULIO PRIETO------------Celta de Vigo----Midfielder----Spain----37----1.59 22) Sammy LEE-------------------Osasuna----Midfielder----England----22----1.59 23) ZAKI Badou----------------------Mallorca----Keeper----Morocco----32----1.59 24) Francisco FERREIRA----Athletic Bilbao----Defender----Spain----35----1.57 25) Manuel JIMÉNEZ----------Sporting Gijón----Defender----Spain----37----1.57 26) Ricardo ARIAS----------------------Valencia----Defender----Spain----31----1.57 27) José Luis MANZANEDO-------------Sabadell----Keeper----Spain----38----1.57 28) Manuel “Manolo” HIERRO----Valladolid----Defender----Spain----32----1.57 29) Patxi RÍPODAS-------------------Osasuna----Midfielder----Spain----36----1.55 30) Miguel TENDILLO-------------Real Madrid----Defender----Spain----36----1.55 31) Genar ANDRINÚA---------------Athletic Bilbao----Defender----Spain---- 27----1.55 32) Francisco “Patxi” SALINAS----Athletic Bilbao----Defender----Spain---- 31----1.54 33) José Fernández BIURRÚN-------Athletic Bilbao------Keeper----Brazil-----36----1.54 34) Jordi VINYALS----------------------------Sabadell-----Midfielder----Spain----25----1.52 35) JUAN JOSÉ Jiménez-------------------------Cádiz------Defender----Spain----25----1.52 36) VICENTE Álvarez-------------------Celta de Vigo----Midfielder----Spain----33----1.51 37) José Mari BAKERO-------------------Real Sociedad----Forward----Spain----32----1.51 38) Miquel SOLER-------------------------------Español----Defender----Spain----33----1.51 39) Luis LÓPEZ REKARTE-----------Real Sociedad----Defender----Spain----33----1.50 40) Fernando MAESTRE----------------------Sabadell----Defender----Spain---- 35----1.50 41) Javier SUBIRATS---------------------Valencia----Midfielder----Spain----38----1.50 42) Bernd SCHUSTER----------Barcelona----Midfielder----W.Germany----30----1.50 43) RODOLFO Dapena-------------Celta de Vigo----Defender----Spain----35----1.50 44) Manuel JIMÉNEZ------------------------Sevilla----Defender----Spain----36----1.50 45) VORO; Salvador González----------Valencia----Defender----Spain----35----1.50 46) FERNANDO Gómez----------------Valencia----Midfielder----Spain----33----1.50 47) Fernando HIERRO----------------Valladolid----Midfielder----Spain----29----1.50 48) Rafael ALKORTA-------------Athletic Bilbao----Defender----Spain----21----1.50 49) FRANCIS; Francisco Rodríguez----Espanyol----Defender----Spain----24----1.50 50) Jorge “Mágico” GONZALEZ----Cádiz----Midfielder----El Salvador----28----1.48 Bonus MANOLO; Manuel Sánchez-------------Murcia----Forward----Spain----37----1.48 HASSAN Fadil-------------------------Mallorca----Forward----Morocco----23----1.47 .
Lineker is out of top 50. This season must be rated below international-class. I ever doubt for a long time about Magico Gonzalez that some raised his name in very high place but this has proved something that he could not take extraordinary performance in the league despite level of candidates were by far inferor to Italian Series A .
Don Balon Best XI: Season 1987-88 Team of the season 1987-88 [LINEUP-4-4-2]H.Sanchez, S.Bakero, Joaquín, Larrañaga, Alemao, Michel, Soler, Carmelo, Fradera, Quique Sanchez, Arconada[/LINEUP-4-4-2] Bench: Maté; Sanchís, López Rekarte; Rípodas, Zamora; Villa, Ruben Sosa .
Magico Gonzalez is the same case as "genius players". One match he was outstanding and other three he disappeared. You know what i mean, most attacking players are/were irregular, in contrast defenders & keepers are/were more regular. For example: - FW was rated in a month: 5-5-5-9 = 6 average - DF was rated in a month: 5-6-6-7 = 6 average This happens in most cases. So, in equally or close ratings between 2 players, i prefer the more "genius" player or whom have the major square deviation (statistically speaking). Also considering a statistical error of 5-10%
To rate legends, consistency international-class is a must. So, if attacker rating week-by-week is way 6-6-6-8, it is acceptable but 5 point is too out of standard. Defensive players are always rated lower than attacker so I have set this criteria. Coefficient Of Role Potential In all-time greatest footballers ever list, it includes all positions and it is inevitable to compare players in different role. Accordingly, setting of role importance combined with degree of difficulty of playing in each role is a key to establish the ranking properly. Goalkeeper : 1.1 Basic Defender : 1.0 Wing-Back : 1.2 Classic Libero : 1.4 Destroyer : 1.0 Central Midfielder : 1.4 Offensive Lateral : 1.4 Offensive Midfielder : 1.6 Forward : 1.6 Finisher : 1.5
So according to you, how many seasons must a player be rated high for him to be ranked high on your list? I ask this, because we have cases where we only know the ratings of some of these players in no more than 3 or 4 seasons, but then we are missing the rest of their information of an entire career.
Mundo Deportivo: Season 1987-88 Mundo Deportivo Rankings 1987-88 Top-20: (unnoficial ranking by average) MICHEL – 4.00 LARRAÑAGA – 3.73 FRADERA – 3.70 SCHUSTER – 3.67 SANCHIS – 3.67 ARCONADA – 3.63 TENDILLO – 3.61 S.BAKERO – 3.58 LOPEZ REKARTE – 3.55 BIURRUN – 3.50 ZAMORA – 3.43 VICENTE SANCHEZ – 3.41 GORRIZ – 3.41 FUTRE – 3.40 ZUBIZARRETA – 3.39 GAJATE – 3.39 SERNA – 3.39 MANOLO – 3.38 JM.BAKERO – 3.38 MARTIN VAZQUEZ – 3.34 Team of the Season ------------------Arconada Bakero I----- Fradera-----Sanchis----- L.Rekarte ----------Larrañaga ----- Schuster -----Michel---------------------Zamora ---------- Futre ------ Bakero II Subs: Biurrun; Sala, Tendillo; Tente Sanchez, Martin Vazquez; Manolo, H.Sanchez. Source: Mundo Deportivo 1987-88 (see pages 18-19)
Season 1987-88 A resume for both rankings in the 1987-88 season, giving more points to 1st place until 50th place, and then averaging both, we've the following results: Top-10 combined: 1) Larrañaga 2) Fradera 3) Michel 4) Arconada 5) Sanchis 6) S.Bakero II 7) Zamora 8) H.Sanchez (Mex) 9) Tendillo 10)Schuster .
Season 1987-88 Season 1987-88 Stars no Rated as Top this season Paco BUYO - Real Madrid Jose CAMACHO - Real Madrid Rafael GORDILLO - Real Madrid Emilio BUTRAGUEÑO - Real Madrid Roberto LOPEZ UFARTE - Atletico Madrid Andoni GOIKOETXEA - Atletico Madrid Jon A. GOICOECHEA - Osasuna VICTOR Muñoz - Barcelona Raul V. AMARILLA - Barcelona Pablo BENGOECHEA - Sevilla JOSIMAR - Sevilla Juan SEÑOR - Zaragoza Frank RIJKAARD -Zaragoza Jose Luis ZALAZAR - Cadiz Hugo DE LEON - Logroñes Rabah MADJER - Valencia Thomas N'KONO - Español Patricio YAÑEZ - Betis Jose Luis BROWN - Murcia http://www.bdfutbol.com/t/t1987-882.html (search for each team)
Don Balon Monthly Ranking: Season 1987-88 Season 1987-88: Spanish SEPTEMBER 1) ROBERTO (Osasuna) ................ 2.40 2) Pérez (Logroñés) ......................... 2.40 3) Quique (Valencia) ....................... 2.20 4) Michel (Real Madrid) .................. 2.20 OCTOBER 1) OREJUELA (Mallorca) ..................... 3.00 2) Manolo Hierro (Valladolid) ............ 2.30 3) Larrañaga (Real Sociedad) ............. 2.30 4) Lopez Rekarte (Real Sociedad) ...... 2.30 5) Sanchís (Real Madrid) .................... 2.30 NOVEMBER 1) BAKERO II (Real Sociedad) .......... 2.25 2) Buyo (Real Madrid) ....................... 2.25 3) Biurrún (Athletic Bilbao) .............. 2.25 4) Carmelo (Cádiz) ............................. 2.25 5) Fenoll (Valencia) ............................ 2.00 DECEMBER 1) LOREN (Real Sociedad) .......... 2.60 2) Maté (Celta) ................................. 2.30 3) Górriz (Real Sociedad) .............. 2.30 4) Manolo Hierro (Valladolid) ...... 2.30 5) Arias (Valencia) ........................... 2.30 JANUARY 1) MARTIN VAZQUEZ (Real Ma) ... 2.20 2) Maté (Celta) ....................................... 2.20 3) Roberto (Osasuna) ........................... 2.20 4) Carmelo (Cádiz) ............................... 2.00 5) Vicente (Cádiz) ................................. 2.00 FEBRUARY 1) LARRAÑAGA (Real Sociedad) ....... 2.20 2) Diego (Betis) ......................................... 2.00 3) Losada (Español) ............................... 2.00 4) Joaquín (Sporting Gijón) .................. 2.00 5) Nando (Valencia) .............................. 1.80 MARCH 1) FRADERA (Sabadell) .................. 2.40 2) Jiménez (Sevilla) ............................ 2.40 3) Biurrún (Athletic Bilbao) ............ 2.20 4) Manzanedo (Sabadell) ................. 2.00 5) Joaquín (Sporting Gijón) .............. 2.00 APRIL 1) GINER (Valencia) ...................... 2.20 2) Michel (Real Madrid) ................. 2.10 3) Fradera (Sabadell) ...................... 2.10 4) Castañeda (Osasuna) ................. 2.10 5) Julio Prieto (Celta) ...................... 2.10 MAY 1) FRADERA (Sabadell) .................. 2.66 2) Arconada (Real Sociedad) .......... 2.33 3) Comas (Logroñés) ........................ 2.33 4) Giner (Valencia) ........................... 2.33 5) Emilio (Sporting Gijón) .............. 2.33 . Source: Don Balon magazine, N° 660, june 1988.
Don Balon Monthly Ranking: Season 1987-88 Season 1987-88: Foreigners SEPTEMBER 1) ALEMAO (Atletico Madrid) ...... 2.20 2) Mágico González (Cádiz) ........... 2.20 3) Bossio (Valencia) .......................... 2.00 4) Hagan (Celta de Vigo) .................. 2.00 5) Baltazar (Celta de Vigo) ............... 1.80 OCTOBER 1) HASSAN (Mallorca) ..................... 2.60 2) Alemao (Atlético Madrid) ............ 2.30 3) Rubén Sosa (Zaragoza) ............... 2.30 4) Baltazar (Celta de Vigo) ............... 2.00 5) Yáñez (Betis) .................................. 2.00 NOVEMBER 1) LEE (Osasuna) ........................... 2.25 2) Robinson (Osasuna) ................. 2.25 3) Hagan (Celta de Vigo) .............. 2.00 4) Zalazar (Cádiz)........................... 2.00 5) Rubén Sosa (Zaragoza) ............. 2.00 DECEMBER 1) NADAL (Logroñés) ............... 2.30 2) Schuster (Barcelona) .............. 1.60 3) Bossio (Valencia) ..................... 1.60 4) Hassan (Mallorca) ................. 1.60 5) Hagan (Celta de Vigo) ............ 1.60 JANUARY 1) McMINN (Sevilla) ........................ 2.00 2) Hagan (Celta de Vigo) .................. 2.00 3) Hugo Sánchez (Real Madrid) ..... 2.00 4) Madjer (Valencia) ........................... 1.80 5) Lee (Osasuna) ................................. 1.80 FEBRUARY 1) ALEMAO (Atletico Madrid) ........ 1.80 2) Schuster (Barcelona) ..................... 1.80 3) Nadal (Logroñés) ........................... 1.60 4) Rubén Sosa (Zaragoza) ................ 1.60 5) De León (Logroñés) ....................... 1.60 MARCH 1) ZAKI (Mallorca) .............................. 2.20 2) Hugo Sánchez (Real Madrid) ..... 1.80 3) Zalazar (Cádiz)............................... 1.60 4) Jankovic (Real Madrid) ................. 1.40 5) Dajka (Las Palmas) ........................ 1.20 APRIL 1) HUGO SÁNCHEZ (Real Madrid) ..... 2.10 2) Schuster (Barcelona) ............................. 2.00 3) Lauridsen (Español) ............................. 1.80 4) Mágico González (Cádiz) .................... 1.60 5) Contreras (Las Palmas) ......................... 1.60 MAY 1) RUBÉN SOSA (Zaragoza) ........ 2.33 2) Zaki (Mallorca) ............................ 2.33 3) Mágico González (Cádiz) ........... 2.33 4) Robinson (Osasuna)..................... 2.00 5) Zalazar (Cádiz).............................. 2.00 Source: Don Balon magazine, N° 660, june 1988.
Yes, some players especially in the pre-war era are hard to rate. In this case, the best way I can do for now is to consider stats of goals in overall career for forwards. If they were midfielder and defender, it has to be depended on historical regard in article and successful trophies will be supported their great years in assumption as the best way I can do. Anyway, it must be not much reliable.
Season 1988-89 Since this season: 1988-89, the scale points to rating players change to 1-10. With 1 as the worst performance and 10 as the best, so the rate for each player in every match were 1, 2, 3, ....... 9, 10. Like the last season, the championship was played by 20 clubs, making a 38 rounds for a League season.
Don Balon Ranking: Season 1988-89 Season 1988-89 PLAYER-----------CLUB-------ROLE-----COUNTRY---GAMES---AVG. 01) Óscar RUGGERI----------Logroñés----Defender----Argentine----34----6.97 02) FERNANDO Gómez----------Valencia----Midfielder----Spain----36----6.78 03) Manuel SANCHÍS----------Real Madrid----Defender----Spain----32----6.72 04) Ricardo ARIAS---------------------Valencia----Defender----Spain----25----6.72 05) Fernando GINER------------------Valencia----Defender----Spain----35----6.60 06) ALOISIO Pires--------------------Barcelona----Defender----Brazil----27----6.52 07) CARMELO Navarro-----------------Cádiz----Defender----Spain----37----6.51 08) QUIQUE; Enrique Sánchez----Valencia----Defender----Spain----28----6.50 09) Thomas N’KONO---------------Español----Keeper----Cameroon----37----6.49 10) ROBERTO Fernández-------Barcelona----Midfielder----Spain---- 37----6.49 11) Pedro JARO-------------------------------------Málaga----Keeper----Spain----34----6.47 12) José BERMELL-----------------------------------Cádiz----Keeper----Spain---- 30----6.47 13) Juan SEÑOR-----------------------------Zaragoza----Midfielder----Spain----37----6.46 14) Javier VILLARROYA-----------------Zaragoza----Midfielder----Spain----37----6.46 15) Agustí ABADÍA-------------------------Logroñés----Midfielder----Spain----38----6.46 16) BERTO; Alberto Martínez---------------Oviedo----Midfielder----Spain----38----6.39 17) Rafael MARTÍN VAZQUEZ----Real Madrid----Midfielder----Spain----36----6.36 18) José Manuel OCHOTORENA-------------Valencia----Keeper----Spain----37----6.34 19) Luis MILLA-------------------------------Barcelona----Midfielder----Spain----28----6.33 20) EUSEBIO Sacristán---------------------Barcelona----Midfielder----Spain----36----6.30 21) JUANITO; Juan Gómez-----------Málaga----Forward----Spain----33----6.29 22) Emilio BUTRAGUEÑO----Real Madrid----Forward----Spain----33----6.28 23) Antonio ÁLVAREZ----------------Málaga----Defender----Spain----32----6.28 24) Javier MATÉ---------------------Celta de Vigo----Keeper----Spain----38----6.26 25) MICHEL Gonzalez-------Real Madrid----Midfielder----Spain---- 36----6.25 26) Mauro RAVNIC------------Valladolid----Keeper----Yugoslavia----37----6.22 27) Manuel JIMÉNEZ---------Sporting Gijón----Defender----Spain----37----6.22 28) Francisco “Paco” BUYO------Real Madrid----Keeper----Spain----31----6.19 29) AMADOR Lorenzo---------------------Murcia----Keeper----Spain----38----6.18 30) VICENTE Álvarez---------Celta de Vigo----Midfielder----Spain----33----6.15 31) Alfonso CORTIJO--------------------Cádiz----Defender----Spain---- 36----6.14 32) Andoni ZUBIZARRETA--------Barcelona----Keeper----Spain---- 36----6.14 33) Jon LARRAÑAGA------Real Sociedad----Midfielder----Spain----38----6.13 34) José María LUMBRERAS------Zaragoza----Defender----Spain----31----6.12 35) CHANO; Sebastián López-------Málaga----Defender----Spain----33----6.12 36) ABEL Resino-------------Atlético de Madrid----Keeper----Spain----37----6.11 37) Ricardo SERNA-------------------Barcelona----Defender----Spain----33----6.03 38) JULIO PRIETO Martín----Celta de Vigo----Midfielder----Spain----33----6.03 39) Alfonso FRAILE-------------------Zaragoza----Defender----Spain----32----6.02 40) Antonio GORRIARÁN-------------Oviedo----Defender----Spain---- 37----6.02 41) BALTAZAR de Morais----Atlético de Madrid----Forward----Brazil----36----6.00 42) NANDO; Fernando Martínez---------Valencia----Defender----Spain----32----6.00 43) VITI; Víctor García------------------------------Oviedo----Keeper----Spain----25----6.00 44) ATILANO Vecino--------------------Celta de Vigo----Defender----Spain----34----6.00 45) CRISTÓBAL Parralo-------------------------Oviedo----Defender----Spain----28----6.00 46) Andoni LAKABEG-----------------Athletic Bilbao----Defender----Spain----34----5.98 47) TOMÁS Reñones--------------Atlético de Madrid----Defender----Spain----37----5.98 48) John LAURIDSEN----------------------Málaga----Midfielder----Denmark----33----5.98 49) JUAN JOSÉ Jiménez-----------------------------Cádiz----Defender----Spain----28----5.96 50) Nery PUMPIDO---------------------------------Betis----Keeper----Argentine----34----5.96 Bonus: José Luis CHILAVERT--------------Zaragoza----Keeper----Paraguay----37----5.95 Juan SAÑUDO-------------------------------Oviedo----Defender----Spain----32----5.94 Jorge “Mágico” GONZALEZ----Cádiz----Midfielder----El Salvador----31----5.61 .
Don Balon Best XI: Season 1988-89 Team of the season 1988-89 [LINEUP-3-5-2]Butragueño, Juanito, Villarroya, Roberto, Fernando, Abadía, Quique S., Ruggeri, Arias, Sanchís, N'Kono[/LINEUP-3-5-2] Bench: Jaro; Giner, Cortijo; Señor, Martín Vazquez; Manolo, Baltazar .
Mundo Deportivo: Season 1988-89 Mundo Deportivo Rankings 1988-89 Top-20: (unnoficial ranking by average) N’KONO – 4.08 RUGGERI – 3.94 ZUBIZARRETA – 3.94 SANCHIS – 3.91 SERNA – 3.88 ROBERTO – 3.81 ANDRINUA – 3.62 MICHEL – 3.58 M.VAZQUEZ – 3.56 ABADIA – 3.55 JUANITO – 3.55 EUSEBIO – 3.53 AMADOR – 3.53 BUYO – 3.48 BALTAZAR – 3.47 BERTO – 3.47 LAKABEG – 3.47 GINER – 3.46 OCHOTORENA – 3.43 BERMELL – 3.43 Team of the Season -------------------N’Kono Eusebio--- Sanchis---Ruggeri--- Serna--- Cortijo -------------------Roberto ------Michel-------------------Martín Vazquez ----------- Juanito ------ Baltazar Subs: Zubizarreta; Lakabeg, Andrinúa; Abadía, Milla; Beguiristain, H.Sanchez. Source: Mundo Deportivo 1988-89 (see pages 20-21)
Season 1988-89 A resume for both rankings in the 1988-89 season, giving more points to 1st place until 50th place, and then averaging both, we've the following results: Top-10 combined: 1) Ruggeri (Arg) 2) Sanchís 3) N'Kono (Cam) 4) Roberto 5) Martín Vazquez 6) Giner 7) Abadía 8) Arias 9) Michel 10)Zubizarreta .