La Liga old rankings (Marca & Mundo Deportivo)

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  1. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Some time ago I found a great website, Arefepedia, about spanish football, there is it posted links to old newspapers and magazines including Don Balon, Marca, Mundo Deportivo and others. I've been excited to find old reports with match grades to players in local and international competition with spanish sides taking part on it.

    In case of Marca, they had a great recognition among contemporaries and was arguably the first one spanish media to rating players week in week out. The scale was from 0-3:
    3 - Outstanding
    2 - Notable
    1 - Sufficient
    0 - Fail

    Check the equivalent to academic grading with a scale from 0-10. There's also a note (-) when a player had injury at the start of the match, being useless for the rest of the game (in a no-substitution era).

    Well, I can't see the season resume, so it was a hard work to get the resume of the season. Maybe somebody could provide help to complete other seasons.
     
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  2. msioux75

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    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Season 1961-62 (Marca ratings)

    Nº - Player---Role----Club---Country---Games---Rating

    01) ZOCO, Ignacio
    -------------- RM --- Osasuna --- Spain -- 28 -- 2,07
    02) RIVILLA, Feliciano --------- RB - Atletico M. -- Spain -- 25 -- 2,04
    03) CAMPANAL; M.Vaquero - CB ---- Sevilla ---- Spain -- 24 -- 2,00
    04) SANTAMARIA, José E. ---- CB -- Real Ma. --- Spain* - 26 -- 1,96
    05) IBORRA, Vicente ------------ CB ----- Elche ----- Spain -- 25 -- 1,92
    06) DI STEFANO, Alfredo ----- CF --- Real Ma. --- Spain* - 23 -- 1,91
    07) CARMELO Cedrún -------- GK -- Athletic B. -- Spain -- 30 -- 1,90
    08) INDIO; Aluizio da Luz ---- CF ---- Español --- Brazil -- 27 -- 1,89
    09) ITURRIAGA, Pedro ------- LM -- Athletic B. -- Spain -- 30 -- 1,87
    10) SERENA, Fernando -------- RW --- Osasuna --- Spain -- 26 -- 1,85

    11) RÉ, Cayetano ----------- CF ----- Elche -- Paraguay -- 23 -- 1,83
    12) TONI Cuervo ----------- RB ---- Oviedo --- Spain ---- 23 -- 1,83
    13) SANTAMARÍA, Fco. - CB -- Santander -- Spain --- 30 -- 1,77
    14) CORRAL, José María - GK ----- Betis ----- Spain ---- 22 -- 1,77
    15) REIJA, Severino -------- LB -- Zaragoza --- Spain ---- 29 -- 1,76
    16) CORREA, Carlos ------ CB --- Tenerife - Uruguay -- 29 -- 1,76
    17) COLO; Julio Santaella - RB --- Tenerife --- Spain ---- 24 -- 1,75
    18) RIBADA, Luis ----------- LW -- Osasuna --- Spain ---- 30 -- 1,73
    19) ACHÚCARRO, Ignacio - LM --- Sevilla - Paraguay -- 25 -- 1,72
    20) ECHEBERRIA, Luis ----- CB -- Athletic B. -- Spain --- 29 -- 1,72

    21) PAQUITO; Fco. García ---- LM ---- Oviedo --- Spain --- 29 -- 1,72
    22) ZAMORA, Ricardo ---------- GK --- Mallorca -- Spain --- 24 -- 1,71
    23) PACHIN; Enrique Pérez --- LM --- Real Ma. -- Spain --- 25 -- 1,68
    24) RECAMAN, Décio ---------- LM --- Valencia --- Brazil -- 25 -- 1,68
    25) GUILLAMÓN, Fernando --- RB ---- Mallorca -- Spain -- 28 -- 1,68
    26) SEGARRA, Juan ---------- LM/RM - Barcelona - Spain -- 19 -- 1,68
    27) PAUET; Vicente Pascual ---- LW ------ Elche ---- Spain -- 23 -- 1,65
    28) EVARISTO de Macedo --- CF/IL -- Barcelona -- Brazil -- 22 -- 1,64
    29) ARAQUISTAIN, José ------- GK ----- Real Ma. --- Spain -- 25 -- 1,64
    30) IGUARÁN, Miguel --------- RM ----- Oviedo ---- Spain -- 28 -- 1,64

    31) CALLEJO, Alberto ---------- CB -- Atletico M. -- Spain --- 24 -- 1,63
    32) JOANET, Benito ------------- GK ---- Español --- Spain --- 19 -- 1,63
    33) ROMERO, Juan Ángel ------ IL ------- Elche -- Paraguay - 29 -- 1,62
    34) DEL SOL, Luis ---------------- IR ----- Real Ma. --- Spain --- 26 -- 1,62
    35) CALLEJA, Isacio ------------- LB --- Atletico M. -- Spain -- 26 -- 1,62
    36) YARZA, Enrique ------------- GK ---- Zaragoza --- Spain -- 26 -- 1,62
    37) GENSANA, Enrique ----- CB/LM - Barcelona --- Spain -- 21 -- 1,62
    38) ADELARDO Rodríguez ---- IR ---- Atletico M. -- Spain -- 23 -- 1,61
    39) GRACIA, Sigfrido ----------- LB ----- Barcelona --- Spain -- 30 -- 1,60
    40) RUIZ SOSA, Manuel ------- RM ------- Sevilla ---- Spain -- 20 -- 1,60

    41) MIGUEL González ------- RW --- Zaragoza ----- Spain --- 29 -- 1,59
    42) AGUIRRE I, Koldo --------- IR --- Athletic B. ---- Spain --- 29 -- 1,59
    43) BOSCH, Andrés ----------- LM ------- Betis -------- Spain --- 22 -- 1,59
    44) QUIRANT, Miguel -------- LB ------- Elche -------- Spain --- 26 -- 1,58
    45) ORUE, José María ---------- RB ---- Athletic B. ---- Spain --- 24 -- 1,58
    46) JONES, Miguel --------- RW/CF - Atletico M. - Guinea Ec - 19 -- 1,58
    47) SEMINARIO, Juan --------- IL ------ Zaragoza ------ Perú ---- 30 -- 1,57
    48) PAQUILLO; Fco. Vega --- RW ----- Tenerife ------ Spain --- 28 -- 1,57
    49) VILLAVERDE, Ramón - IL/LW -- Barcelona -- Uruguay -- 21 -- 1,57
    50) ARQUÉ, Jaime ------------- RM ---- Mallorca ----- Spain ---- 27 -- 1,56

    Bonus
    SOCRATES Belenguer ---------------- CB -- Valencia --- Spain --- 18 -- 1,56
    RODRI; Fco. Rodríguez Campoy -- RM ---- Elche ----- Spain --- 29 -- 1,55
    MESTRE, Manuel ---------------------- LB -- Valencia ---- Spain --- 29 -- 1,55
    RAMOS, Héctor ----------------------- RM - Santander - Uruguay - 22 -- 1,55
    PIQUER, Vicente ---------------------- RB --- Valencia ---- Spain --- 22 -- 1,55
     
  3. msioux75

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    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    The meanings for role are: GK-goalkeeper, RB-right back, CB-centerback, LB-left back, RM-right mid, LM-left mid, RW-right winger, IR-inside right, CF-centreforward, IL-inside left, LW-left winger.

    The reports were listed in a WM ordering, but at that time most clubs had playing in a 4-2-4 formation, mostly with the Left Mid as Fourth back and the Inside Right as the Second Midfielder.

    Ideal team 1961-62 (Marca)
    --------------- Carmelo
    Rivilla ------- Campanal ------- Reija
    --------- Zoco --------- Iturriaga
    ----- Del Sol ------------- Evaristo
    Serena ------- Di Stefano ------- Ribada
     
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  4. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Stars not included 1961-62

    Low rating

    "Paco" Gento - Real Madrid
    Ferenc Puskas - Real Madrid
    Sandor Kocsis - Barcelona
    Enrique Collar - Atlético Madrid
    Joaquín Peiró - Atlético Madrid
    Edgardo Madinabeytia - Atlético Madrid
    Marcelino Martínez - Zaragoza
    Juan B.Agüero - Sevilla
    Waldo Machado - Valencia
    Helmut Senekowitsch - Betis
    Agne Simonsson - R.Sociedad

    Less than 18 matches
    Rogelio Domínguez - Real Madrid
    Canario - Real Madrid
    Jesús Garay - Barcelona
    Julio C.Benítez - Barcelona
    Eulogio Martínez - Barcelona
    Ferran Olivella - Barcelona
    Tibor Szalay - Barcelona
    "Chus" Pereda - Barcelona
    Jorge Griffa - Atlético Madrid
    Jorge Mendonça - Atlético Madrid

    Carlos Lapetra - Zaragoza
    Florencio Amarilla - Elche
    Zoltan Czibor - Español
    Héctor Rial - Español
    Silvio Parodi - R.Santander


    http://www.bdfutbol.com/t/t1961-62.html
     
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  5. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    The final results are similar to Don Balon for the 1976-88 era: top ratings value, number of players increasing when the rating value is decreasing and so on.

    Maybe somebody considered a high amount of matches such as 80% (24 matches) or something like that as the minimun to be included. I traced the line in 60% (18/30 matches), since in this era, no substitutions were allowed (excluding keepers), injuries were harder to heal and for monthly ratings I saw, more often in other rankings, include players with >2 games per month and playing >60% of matches that month.

    Another thing is the eventual bias or error when rating players (Big Soccer posters had their different opinions for the WC2014 for example), since the scale is small (0-3) it can be taken as a deviation the 10% of matches rated, in this case the list included players with 18 to 30 matches, so the error will be for 2 or 3 matches observed.

    For example, José Santamaría has 1,96 in 26 matches, but with a deviation of +/- 3 points, his max rating could be 2,08
    His competition for CB role, Campanal has 2,00 in 24 matches, with a deviation of +/- 2 points, his min rating could be 1,92

    So, even when raw data show Campanal > Santamaría performance in the 1961-62 season, including observation error could be posible that Santamaría > Campanal performance.

    Resuming, for my personal impression, any of the top 9 places could be named the Player of the Season 1961-62 in the spanish domestic league.
     
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  6. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    With the considerations above mentioned, I personally will made two changes: J.Santamaria x Campanal and Seminario x Ribada.
     
  7. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #7 msioux75, Dec 11, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2016
    My impression about best players in La Liga 1961-62:

    4 stars: none

    3 stars: 4 players
    Zoco, Rivilla, Campanal, José Santamaría & Di Stéfano

    2 stars: 29 players
    Iborra, Carmelo, Indio, Iturriaga, Serena, Cayetano Ré, Toni Cuervo, Francisco Santamaría, Corral, Reija, Correa, Colo, Ribada, Achúcarro, Echeberría, Paquito, R.Zamora II, Pachín, Segarra, Evaristo, Araquistáin, Romerito, Del Sol, Calleja, Adelardo, Gracia, Koldo Aguirre, Seminario & Jones.


    This is based in domestic league only, maybe international competition could push some players highly this season, especially from Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atlético Madrid.
     
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  8. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Season 1962-63 (Marca ratings)

    Nº - Player---Role----Club---Country---Games---Rating

    01) GARAY, Jesús ------------------- CB -- Barcelona --- Spain --- 28 - 2,07
    02) PINI, Mario ---------------------- CB - Valladolid - Uruguay - 28 - 1,96
    03) PAQUITO; Francisco García - LM -- Oviedo ---- Spain ---- 28 - 1,96
    04) RAMOS, Héctor ----------------- RM ---- Elche --- Uruguay - 18 - 1,94
    05) CARMELO Cedrún ------------ GK - Athletic B. -- Spain --- 28 - 1,89
    06) AGUIRRE I, Koldo ------------- RM - Athletic B. -- Spain --- 25 - 1,88
    07) RIVILLA, Feliciano ------------- RB - Atletico M --- Spain -- 21 - 1,86
    08) SANCHÍS, Manuel ------------ LM - Valladolid --- Spain --- 29 - 1,83
    09) GRIFFA, Jorge ------------------ CB - Atletico M - Argentina - 23 - 1,83
    10) MINGORANCE, José --------- CB -- Córdoba ----- Spain --- 28 - 1,82


    11) RAMÍREZ, Carlos ------------- RM - Valladolid --- Spain --- 26 - 1,81
    12) SÁNCHEZ LAGE, José Ma. - IR ----- Oviedo - Argentina - 29 - 1,79
    13) URIARTE, Fidel --------------- LM --- Athletic B. --- Spain -- 23 - 1,78
    14) ENDÉRIZ, Eduardo ----------- IR --- Valladolid - Uruguay - 21 - 1,76
    15) BETANCORT, Antonio ------ GK - D.La Coruña -- Spain -- 24 - 1,75
    16) ARGOITIA, José María -------- IL -- Athletic B. ---- Spain --- 19 - 1,74
    17) AMANCIO Amaro ------------ RW -- Real Mad ---- Spain --- 28 - 1,71
    18) COLLAR, Enrique ------------- LW - Atletico M ---- Spain ---- 27 - 1,70
    19) MADINABEYTIA, Edgardo - GK - Atletico M - Argentina - 27 - 1,70
    20) DOMINGUEZ, José ------------ LB - D.La Coruña -- Spain --- 30 - 1,70


    21) ZAMACONA, José María - CB -- Osasuna -- Spain - 30 - 1,70
    22) ECHEBERRIA, Luis --------- CB - Athletic B. - Spain - 23 - 1,70
    23) SANTAMARÍA, Francisco - CB - Zaragoza - Spain - 29 - 1,69
    24) MESTRE, Manuel ----------- LB --- Valencia - Spain - 28 - 1,68
    25) GUERRICA, Antonio ------ GK -- Osasuna -- Spain - 25 - 1,68
    26) SIGI; Sigifredo Martínez ---- IL - Zaragoza -- Perú -- 18 - 1,67
    27) CHICAO; Fco. dos Santos - LM - Valencia - Brazil - 24 - 1,67
    28) GRAU, Francesc ------------- RB ----- Betis ---- Spain - 21 - 1,67
    29) MULLER, Lucien ----------- RM - Real Mad - France - 26 - 1,65
    30) LASA, León ---------------- LM/IL -- Betis ---- Spain - 26 - 1,65


    31) RUIZ, Félix --------------------- IR -- Real Mad -- Spain - 23 - 1,65
    32) QUINCOCES, Juan Carlos - CB -- Valencia --- Spain - 23 - 1,65
    33) AMERICO Canas ----------- GK ---- Málaga ---- Spain - 20 - 1,65
    34) VELOSO, José L. Fidalgo - CF - D.La Coruña - Spain - 27 - 1,63
    35) GLARÍA, Jesús -------------- LM -- Atletico M -- Spain - 29 - 1,62
    36) GENTO, Francisco --------- LW --- Real Mad -- Spain - 23 - 1,61
    37) CALLEJA, Isacio ------------ LB -- Atletico M -- Spain - 18 - 1,61
    38) CORRAL, José María ------ GK ----- Betis ------ Spain - 18 - 1,61
    39) ARANGUREN, Jesús ------ LB -- Athletic B. -- Spain - 18 - 1,61
    40) BENEGAS, Juan ------------ GK --- Córdoba --- Spain - 30 - 1,60


    41) TONI Cuervo -------------------- RB --- Oviedo -- Spain - 25 - 1,60
    42) RODILLA, José Ma. Sánchez - IL - Valladolid - Spain - 25 - 1,60
    43) CALVO, Pedro ----------------- GK - Valladolid - Spain - 27 - 1,59
    44) ADELARDO Rodríguez ------ IR - Atletico M - Spain - 26 - 1,58
    45) HORMAECHE, José ------ RM/IR - Osasuna -- Spain - 24 - 1,58
    46) REIJA, Severino --------------- RB -- Zaragoza -- Spain - 19 - 1,58
    47) VÁZQUEZ, Juan ------------- RW -- Córdoba --- Spain - 19 - 1,58
    48) ROMERO, Juan Angel ------- IL ----- Elche - Paraguay - 30 - 1,57
    49) IBORRA, Vicente ------------- CB ----- Elche --- Spain --- 28 - 1,57
    50) VERDU, Juan ------------------ RB -- Valencia -- Spain -- 23 - 1,57



    Bonus
    MOROLLÓN, Emilio --------- CF - Valladolid ---- Spain ---- 30 - 1,57
    PAZOS, Manuel --------------- GK ----- Elche ------- Spain ---- 27 - 1,56
    DATZIRA, José ---------------- CB ----- Oviedo ----- Spain ---- 25 - 1,56
    ARAMENDI, Héctor --------- RW - Valladolid - Argentina - 29 - 1,55
    RAMIRO Rodrigues ---------- RM - Atletico M --- Brazil --- 20 - 1,55
    RIVERA, Cesáreo ------------- IL/IR --- Sevilla ----- Spain --- 20 - 1,55
    LAPETRA, Carlos --------------- LW -- Zaragoza --- Spain --- 28 - 1,54
    CHANCHO; Santiago García - RB --- Elche ------ Spain -- 28 - 1,54
     
  9. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Reports were listed in a WM ordering, but at that time most clubs had playing in a 4-2-4 formation, mostly with the Left Mid as Fourth back and the Inside Right as the Second Midfielder.

    Ideal team 1962-63 (Marca)
    --------------- Carmelo
    Rivilla --------- Garay --------- Calleja
    -------- Ramos -------- Paquito
    ---- Sánchez Lage -------- Argoitia
    Amancio -------- Veloso --------- Collar



    I personally pick: K.Aguirre x Ramos and Sigi x Argoitia.
     
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  10. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Stars not included 1962-63

    Low rating

    J.Santamaría, F.Puskas - Real Madrid
    J.Mendoza, M.Jones - Atlético Madrid
    C.Lapetra, Marcelino - Zaragoza
    S.Gracia, J.Peredá, C.Ré, R.Villaverde - Barcelona
    Waldo Machado, H.Núñez - Valencia
    O.Montalvo - D.La Coruña
    Luis Aragonés - Betis
    Campanal, Canario, I.Achucarro - Sevilla
    F.Serena, L.Ribada - Osasuna


    Less than 18 matches
    Di Stéfano, Zoco, Evaristo - Real Madrid
    J.Peiró - Atlético Madrid
    J.Seminario - Zaragoza
    Olivella, J.Segarra, JC.Benítez, L.Cubilla, S.Kocsis - Barcelona
    Eulogio Martínez - Elche
    P.Iturriaga - Athletic Bilbao
    H.Senekowitsch, J.Kuzsmann - Betis
    Gallego, J.Agüero - Sevilla


    http://www.bdfutbol.com/t/t1962-63.html
     
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  11. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    My own ranking about best players in La Liga 1962-63:

    4 stars: none

    3 stars: 3 players
    Garay, M.Pini & Paquito

    2 stars: 30 players
    Ramos, Carmelo, Aguirre I, Rivilla, Sanchis, Griffa, Mingorance, Ramirez, Sánchez Lage, Uriarte. Enderiz, Betancort, Argoitia, Amancio, Collar, Madinabeytia, Domínguez, Zamacona, Echeberría, Fco.Santamaría, Mestre, Guerrica, Sigi, L.Muller, Glaría, Paco Gento, Calleja, Adelardo, Reija & Romerito.


    btw, any of the top-6 in the 1962-63 Marca ranking could had an option to be Best Player in the season.
     
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  12. msioux75

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    Jan 8, 2006
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    1961-62 season remarks:

    - Zoco starred especially at the middle of the season.
    - Rivilla and Campanal had a notable regularity playing at very good level.
    - Santamaría, also a remarkable regularity, but the last months played few matches due to health problems.
    - Di Stefano had a great start of the season, but the injuries affected his second half of the season.

    Other famous players:
    - Del Sol had a world class first half of the season, but a terrible second half of the season.
    - Puskas nothing remarkably this season, I guess he played more as a poacher.
    - Peiro had a very good start of the season, then decreased his level and played less, save his best for the Cup Winners' Cup, maybe?
    - Gento, just a good first half of the season and then declining.
    - Evaristo had an irregular season, up and down in his performances.
    - Kocsis, only December as a display of the player he used to be.
    - Waldo played better in the second than the first half of the season, world class in september and february.
    - Seminario starred the first months and then his level decreased since he became the main focus of marking.
    - Vicente just played 3 league games this season.
    - Kubala had his first season as coach.
    - Luis Suárez had his first season in Serie-A.
     
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  13. msioux75

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  14. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
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    1962-63 season remarks:

    - Garay played at a very high level, especially in the first half of the season. The previous season also starred, but played few matches at the start.
    - Pini was very consistent and great at the back, especially the start of the season.
    - Paquito also consistent and very good performances.

    Other famous players:
    - Di Stéfano played at great level, but missed many matches since february.
    - Amancio, had a very good debut, him and Sanchís were the better rookies.
    - Gento, played at his best at mid season.
    - Santamaría and Puskas just regular, but ended the season playing a good level.
    - Vicente was irregular, but played a great level at mid season.
    - Zoco, recent signed by Real Madrid, show poor form, being out of the starting eleven.
    - Peiro played a world class level and then was signed by Serie-A
    - Rivilla, played better at 1962. Collar was irregular, but better at mid season.
    - Seminario played from less to more, when signed by Serie-A. Then replaced by Sigi, called "peruvian sun".
    - Kocsis and Cubilla, were substitutes this season.
    - Evaristo only played 7 games, mostly in 1963.
    - Waldo also irregular, playing better at mid season.
     
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  15. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
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    My ranking for the period 1961/63

    4 stars: -

    3 stars: Jesús Garay, Rivilla, Di Stéfano, Carmelo Cedrún

    2 stars: Griffa, Zoco, Paquito, J.Santamaría, Iborra, Reija, F.Santamaría, H.Ramos, K.Aguirre, Echeberría, Toni, Corral, Iturriaga, Serena, Yarza, Calleja, Campanal II, Romerito, Sánchez Lage, Adelardo, Mestre, Zamora II, Collar, Guerrica, J.Seminario, Glaría, Quincocés II, Iguarán, Cayetano Ré, C.Lapetra, Gento, Marcelino, Waldo, Gracia, Madinabeytía, Achúcarro. Orué, Senekowitsch and Bosch.

    1 star: Puskas, Pachín, Villaverde, Jones, Mendoça, ...


    < 36 matches: Vicente, Canario, Segarra, Evaristo, Eulogio Martínez, JC.Benítez, Kocsis, Agüero, Fusté, Indio, Czibor, Rial, Simonsson, Correa, Pini, Sanchís, Amancio and L.Muller

    Abroad: L.Suárez, Del Sol and Peiró
     
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  16. msioux75

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  17. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Nice work msioux. Good to be able to pick out the outstanding ratings, including seeing them for Cruyff in 73/74; also notable are Segarra in 58/59, Santamaria in 61/62, Kubala for late 1958 (also as mentioned Kopa and Di Stefano) and even great individual months like Suarez in December 1958 or Netzer in December 1973.
     
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  18. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
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    Only two Real Madrid players in the top 30 seems very strange. They won the league by 12 points, scored 22 more goals than any team in the league and had the best defense in the league...
     
  19. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Yeah, you're right.
    I've been surprised to see the low rating for Puskas who was the main goalscorer.

    From the non-rated players in the 1962-63 season, Di Stefano had a 1,92 in 13 matches.
     
  20. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Country:
    Thailand
    Msioux, I am really curious about Joaquin Peiro’s main position. He seems to perform as attacking midfielder at Atletico Madrid in the 1962 Cup winners Cup final but I’m not sure which position he mostly played at his peak at Atletico (He played as a deep-lying forward in 1965 European Cup final but he was already declined from the peak). Comme list categorized him as a left-winger anyway.
     
  21. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Peiro played at the centre forward position in the 1962 Cup Winners Cup Final. Same in 1965. I think that he always played at this position and never played as a proper deep-lying centre forward, on the contrary, he was an out-and-out striker.
    The impression that he played in a deeper position can come from the fact that as a CF he was found first as a pivot and that a Jair (RW, Inter Milan) or an inside forward like Mendoça (Atlético) took the spaces. But he was not a playmaker at all.
     
  22. Dearman

    Dearman Member

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    Argentina
    Feb 24, 2010
    Bangkok, Thailand
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Country:
    Thailand
    That is rather strange for such a center forward who scored few goals in Series A. I tried to watch him played but the quality of video is not good enough to make clear about his position. So you means wikipedia is wrongly specified his position as MF in the 1962 cup winners cup final.
     
  23. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    He turned into a ''midfielder'' at AS Roma.
     
  24. wm442433

    wm442433 Member

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    #24 wm442433, May 11, 2017
    Last edited: May 11, 2017
    Mendoça was the IL (who operated a bit everywhere in attack) and Peiro the CF.

    + at Inter, Peiro had concurrence, like with Milani. When they played together for some reasons, possibly that Peiro already played inside, but it was still rare then. Way less rare with Roma apparently even if still quite often cf too.
     
  25. IrishRon

    IrishRon New Member

    Manchester United
    Republic of Ireland
    Jun 5, 2017
    Belfast
    @msioux75 will you be updating the spreadsheet with each season from 58-76? Interested in who wouldve been awarded player of the year for each season
     

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