La Liga Announce VAR. Catalonia Announce Secession - The Other Teams Thread[R]

Saeta Rubia · Mar 17, 2018

http://www.marca.com/futbol/futbol-internacional/2018/03/17/5aad4ed0e5fdeaee468b45e4.html

MiamiNative0722 · Mar 17, 2018

That man Mo! Another Salah beauty 🔥 pic.twitter.com/RPXv24P2YO
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S1na · Mar 17, 2018

Salah is fantastic

robnycus · Mar 17, 2018

Great goal . That defender

MiamiNative0722 · Mar 17, 2018

With Salah's 2 goals in the first half, he overtakes Kane as the league's top scorer.

Raumdeuter · Mar 17, 2018

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Why would he? It's not an attractive position for him at this point of his career.

That's Sevilla's reality for the past 4 to 5 years though. This is a team that is getting an overhault almost every season..
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Sevilla is not attactive for him despite the better players than the current crop he has in Man Utd and their richer heritage.

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Also, Mourinho is blamed for selling De Bruyne, but De Bruyne now, is not De Bruyne then, which is why he was worth about 17 mil. or whatever Wolfsburg paid for him before selling him to Manchester City for 6 times that. Even so, if the club would know they have quality, they would have loaned him or sold him with a buyback. Instead they felt he was a whining little brat, complaining about not playing enough?
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Is it not the job of managers to improve their players?
Casemiro Asensio were not worth much before Zidane now their values would have at least doubled.

Sane Sterling otamendi Debruyne would have at least doubled in valuation since playing under Guardiola.

Salah Kane Erikson Mane have all improved since meeting their current managers.

How many players under Mourinho currently at man utd whether bought by him or he met there have improved that way?

If martial Sanchez Mikitaryan Pogba Lindelof etc are all playing like ninnies, you can't absolve Mourinho his tactics or his management style of it

The Biscuitman · Mar 17, 2018

26 in 31 in the PL for Salah at HT today

The Biscuitman · Mar 17, 2018

Reckon the PL player of the season will be fought between Salah & De Bruyne, with the latter winning.

Saeta Rubia · Mar 17, 2018

Four for Salah.

Zidane05 · Mar 17, 2018

Salah has won me over. What a player. He is legit.

RaMaaa · Mar 17, 2018

Class. his technique, moves and skills just so amazing.

4x4s · Mar 17, 2018

Raumdeuter said: ↑

Is it not the job of managers to improve their players?
Casemiro Asensio were not worth much before Zidane now their values would have at least doubled.
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Casemiro:

"When I debuted with the first-team he called me," he told El Partidazo.

"And said: 'I know how you play, that you are aggressive. With the engine you have, you play hard at first, and then you play easy, the Bernabeu wants that from you. I know you, you are good, and you are going to be the best central midfielder in the world'.

"He gave me this confidence, I left the dressing room believing that I was Cristiano Ronaldo. With the energy that he gave me, I was left believing that he was the best in the world."
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I think the interview is from yesterday or the day before.

How many players under Mourinho currently at man utd whether bought by him or he met there have improved that way?
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I know that a lot of his former players absolutely adore him. There's a good chance Manchester United simply isn't for him, but even in Madrid, many of his former players speak highly of him.

If martial Sanchez Mikitaryan Pogba Lindelof etc are all playing like ninnies, you can't absolve Mourinho his tactics or his management style of it
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Nobody absolves anybody of anything. Fact is the squad is average. This isn't a squad that would play nice football regardless. In fact, Manchester United haven't played anything pleasing for almost a decade or so. That's Mourinho's point.

Shay Z · Mar 17, 2018

I have no love for Jose and of course he shares blame for what's happening at United but he is definitely making some good points in his rant. Man United have a mediocre team full of mediocre players. CL last 16 is their level right now. Many Manchester fans know this too and admit it. Its just the mass hysteria the media creates that shapes the narrative that surrounds it all.

4x4s is absolutely right about Manchester United prospects being the most hyped (by their own fans) in the world. I used to visit their forum a lot back in the day and they thought Martial and Janusaj are gonna be the next Cristiano and Neymar. Memphis was gonna be a world beater. Macheda was gonna be Lewandowski. That it was just a matter of time. Not even Barcelona (when La Masia was relevant) or Arsenal prospects over the last decade have been as hyped as theirs.

With the squad he has this is their level. Losing to Sevilla the way they did is still not acceptable though. I mean 4 shots on target. Brutal. Maybe some people expect that Jose will make them overachieve. Maybe that's a fair expectation considering his big name and the way he presents himself as if he was still top 3 coach in Europe.

Where Jose has to take the blame is the tactics. His are antiquated. Do we see any new thing from him that he didn't do or have back in his Inter days or Madrid days. Second thing is his involvement in the massive spending on players who haven't delivered like Pogba. With the money they have spent they really should have at least 3-4 players they can build around. Right now they have nothing. The game seems to be passing Jose by very rapidly. If he doesn't adapt he could be coaching in the Russian league in 5 years or be the NT manager of an African or middle east country.

Raumdeuter · Mar 17, 2018

4x4s said: ↑

Casemiro:
I think the interview is from yesterday or the day before.
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Regardless of what Casemiro says and what Mourinho did, His output under Mourinho didnt look any good. His improvement post Mourinho is day and light

I know that a lot of his former players absolutely adore him. There's a good chance Manchester United simply isn't for him, but even in Madrid, many of his former players speak highly of him.
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His last 3 jobs haven't been great. His current job looks bad at Man Utd, there are not much clubs left for him. His claim to god status is almost a decade ago

Nobody absolves anybody of anything. Fact is the squad is average. This isn't a squad that would play nice football regardless. In fact, Manchester United haven't played anything pleasing for almost a decade or so. That's Mourinho's point.
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The teams isn't as bad as Mourinho wants to make it seem. Its the same Mourinho tactics of severely underrating his team so he can later tell us how he dug them from this great ditch.

This so called average squad has one of the highest wage bill in the league and in Europe
https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/top-clubs-with-the-highest-wage-bills-in-europe/10
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Of the top 3 scorers in the EPL last season, Mourinho bought 2 of them. Pogba was a FIFpro 11 before meeting Mourinho, DeGea is a top 3 keeper in the world, Matic is a top 5 DM, Mata was the top assister in the league before he met Mourinho.
In direct comparison to City
Aguero = Alexis
KDB = Pogba
Sane = Martial
Sterling = Rashford
Silva = Mata
Ederson = DDG
Stones = Jones
Delph = Young
Otamendi = Bailly
Fermandinho = Matic
Jesus and Lukaku

All these players are in the same ballpark as those at City, So the average squad stuff is a poor Jose excuse

janos audron · Mar 17, 2018

Lukaku -Sanchez
Mata
Pogba - Herrera
Matić

Not exactly equivalent of the glory days or top of the crop. But still a team which should be competitive and should go through Sevilla.

celito · Mar 17, 2018

Shay Z said: ↑

With the squad he has this is their level. Losing to Sevilla the way they did is still not acceptable though. I mean 4 shots on target. Brutal. Maybe some people expect that Jose will make them overachieve. Maybe that's a fair expectation considering his big name and the way he presents himself as if he was still top 3 coach in Europe.

Where Jose has to take the blame is the tactics. His are antiquated. Do we see any new thing from him that he didn't do or have back in his Inter days or Madrid days. Second thing is his involvement in the massive spending on players who haven't delivered like Pogba. With the money they have spent they really should have at least 3-4 players they can build around. Right now they have nothing. The game seems to be passing Jose by very rapidly. If he doesn't adapt he could be coaching in the Russian league in 5 years or be the NT manager of an African or middle east country.
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I was told not long ago what makes Mourinho so great is he overachieved with Porto and Inter. So yeah that's part of the expectation. Winning the CL today I don't think is anything a ManU fan realistically expects. But putting up a better display vs Sevilla is something he should be able to deliver with this group of players.

Shay Z · Mar 17, 2018

celito said: ↑

I was told not long ago what makes Mourinho so great is he overachieved with Porto and Inter. So yeah that's part of the expectation. Winning the CL today I don't think is anything a ManU fan realistically expects. But putting up a better display vs Sevilla is something he should be able to deliver with this group of players.
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You're right. I said as much in my post too. That display in those 2 games was pathetic. In the first leg Sevilla missed so many chances its egregious that United didn't capitalize on it. That's squarely on Jose.

Also....... I haven't seen a player look absolutely world class in one team and then a Real Betis level player in another like Pogba has done. Staggering. I don't even know how to explain it. Dude was literally passing to opposition players like Cesc does when playing against Barcelona.

celito · Mar 17, 2018

Shay Z said: ↑

You're right. I said as much in my post too. That display in those 2 games was pathetic. In the first leg Sevilla missed so many chances its egregious that United didn't capitalize on it. That's squarely on Jose.

Also....... I haven't seen a player look absolutely world class in one team and then a Real Betis level player in another like Pogba has done. Staggering. I don't even know how to explain it. Dude was literally passing to opposition players like Cesc does when playing against Barcelona.
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Don't put it past a player to tank it on purpose to either get sold or get the coach fired. The 2nd case has happened way more often than people realize.

Pogba was always overrated IMO but he is better than this and Mourinho may not be the best coach to get the best out of him.

Saeta Rubia · Mar 17, 2018

That was a complete game by Salah. Created, scored and beat defenders for fun.

http://footyroom.com/matches/79940810/liverpool-vs-watford/review

Shay Z · Mar 17, 2018

Saeta Rubia said: ↑

That was a complete game by Salah. Created, scored and beat defenders for fun.

http://footyroom.com/matches/79940810/liverpool-vs-watford/review
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That's all well and good but can he do it on a beautiful sunny day in San Sebastian?

Shay Z · Mar 17, 2018

MiamiNative0722 said: ↑

With Salah's 2 goals in the first half, he overtakes Kane as the league's top scorer.
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I'm more confused than ever now, I need English media to explain to me if Kane is still as good as Cristiano and Messi? Should I abandon my Kane/Cristiano/Messi comp video project?

Zidane05 · Mar 17, 2018

Shay Z said: ↑

Man United have a mediocre team full of mediocre players.
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He specifically asked for Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, and Matic. Pogba is sitting on the bench, Lukaku has done nothing to justify his move, and Sanchez has one goal since his move. Matic, the least sexy move of the 4, is the only one that has paid some returns back. Pogba and Lukaku have cost the team 200M in transfer money; Sanchez is about to cost the club a shit load more with all the renewals they'll have to do to rework their wage structure.

Shay Z · Mar 17, 2018

Zidane05 said: ↑

He specifically asked for Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, and Matic. Pogba is sitting on the bench, Lukaku has done nothing to justify his move, and Sanchez has one goal since his move. Matic, the least sexy move of the 4, is the only one that has paid some returns back. Pogba and Lukaku have cost the team 200M in transfer money; Sanchez is about to cost the club a shit load more with all the renewals they'll have to do to rework their wage structure.
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You guys are right. Spending that much money and not having at least a core you can build around is pretty pathetic but are we sure he has full control over transfers at that club? Isn't Ferguson still there? Woodward has control over transfers? Also who can explain what's happened to Pogba apart from people who never rated him in the first place. Now if he moves to another team and returns to his Juventus form then we can say it was 100% on Jose.

I just think he's stating some facts in his rant no matter how petty its making him sound and look like.

robnycus · Mar 17, 2018

Mou is stupid, his rant was to divert the attention . No one was asking him why they cant win the CL but getting eliminated by Sevilla. Come on..

Saeta Rubia · Mar 17, 2018

Shay Z said: ↑

You guys are right. Spending that much money and not having at least a core you can build around is pretty pathetic but are we sure he has full control over transfers at that club? Isn't Ferguson still there? Woodward has control over transfers? Also who can explain what's happened to Pogba apart from people who never rated him in the first place. Now if he moves to another team and returns to his Juventus form then we can say it was 100% on Jose.

I just think he's stating some facts in his rant no matter how petty its making him sound and look like.
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Mou wanted Pogba at Chelsea too. He was drooling over for him for so long and now he's a bench option. Pogba has attitude issues, but Mou shows little patience as well if players don't click right away. Felipe Luis, Salah at Chelsea for example.

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