"Kroos'ing to la undécima"- The Official Welcome Toni Kroos Thread

Discussion in 'Real Madrid' started by Lyra, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. RaMaaa

    RaMaaa Member+

    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Scoring? look at ou defense. you can't score always 3-4, but if you put effort, i mean real effort you can be better defensively. 39 goals.. just too much.
     
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  2. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    Last year we conceded 41 in 38 matches yet won La Liga. This year we have conceded 39 in 35 and were 16 points away from winning La Liga.

    Yet you think it's simply because we conceded slightly more?

    Yes the defense was worse, but it isn the finishing which went to shit. We have scored 22 less goals with three matches remaining.

    That is the difference.
     
  3. RaMaaa

    RaMaaa Member+

    Feb 3, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    so that's the whole point of logic. sometimes (last year) we scored many goals, but every year we won't score same amount of goals for different reasons. Lack,injuries, strikers out of form ot anything. But defense is a job who must do every single player. and if you will be consistent with that you will have a shoot no matter what. You just need put effort into that.
     
  4. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    You are badly missing the point.

    We have always conceded, but we score significantly. Historically that is who we are. You can't just wake up one day and expect us to be atleti.
     
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  5. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    It can be done though..look at Barca .. 37 goals conceded last season to 19 so far this year. Throwing out efforts to improve the defense and only focus on the attack will not get you too far.
    We were scoring those many goals because Cristiano was younger and could play more games.. he also used to hat trick and score pokers against smaller teams so in reality our numbers where somewhat inflated.

    It is highly unlikely that who ever comes next to play forward for us will be scoring at the same rate of CR7.
     
  6. Shay Z

    Shay Z Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    We have never had the best defensive stats......... which is why Iker and others were never in the race for the Zamora except a few times. While Barcelona since they became relevant last decade have always been near the top when it comes to fewer goals conceded. Their garbage GKs like Valdes are multiple Zamora winners (not to say Zamora trophy is the sole indicator of defensive prowess, just an example).

    The point here is that we have a bit of an identity as we'll score more than the other team. It's in the DNA, remember how we never sit back on a draw and go for a win even to sometimes disastrous results (Clasico at home). Its part of the mentality. Even great defenders after moving to the club are shocked by the cavalier attitude. Cannavaro tells the story about how Pepe used to turn to him during games and say Fabio, its just us back here and he would say, this is Madrid.

    Now you can debate the merits of that but you just can't expect us to become Atleti like someone mentioned.
     
  7. robnycus

    robnycus Member+

    Jun 28, 2010
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    That is all true but with Benz and Bale and an aging Cristiano who is going to provide all of those goals for us?
     
  8. Shay Z

    Shay Z Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 3, 2007
    Valid question but those are two separate issues.

    I'm sure we'll refresh the squad this summer. It's not like we need a rebuild. We just need a reload. If only Mbappe hadn't gone with the money........ we would be ahead of schedule for our reload. Sigh.
     
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  9. Bear Crotch

    Bear Crotch Member+

    Jan 2, 2008
    Ohio, United States
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    There was a post I made about the goals we've conceded in the past decade and werew pretty much right in line with most of our seasons.

    It was the horrendous finishing. But then there are the posters here that didn't watch the games, looked at the score and said we played bad when in reality we didn't.
     
  10. YOUNGSTARS87

    YOUNGSTARS87 Yellow C@rd Bandit

    Dec 21, 2005
    That was the issue that wasn't handled correctly in the summer.

    We lost La Liga in the summer, not during the season. You can't get rid of goals from Morata and James, then replace them with Mayoral and Ceballos and think there won't be a drop in performance.

    We went all in for Mbappe so we had to get him. We did not. Hence why we could still compete in the major tournament but not in the long season.
     
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  11. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Like others, I also think we low-balled Mbappe on wages, offered peanuts in relative terms when the kid was ready to deliver and play on the big stage. I’m not saying for one second that we should have gone as high as what PSG offered, but there was definitely a descrepancy in the figures banded around last summer when we missed out on him.
     
  12. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    He was a teenager earning about 1 mil. or so at Monaco. Anything over 10 mil. is absurd, then again, Barcelona paid about as much as Mbappe earns at PSG to Dembele.
     
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  13. 9Qui

    9Qui Moderator
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    May 26, 2004
    If Barcelona are paying Dembele the same, and when both Manchester City and us are salivating at just the thought of UEFA making him available here a year later combined with our desperation to rejuvenate our attack suggest that he's worth it.
     
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  14. Anon.

    Anon. Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    A gulf of difference between those two players last season and clear to see now. Mbappe’s transfer fee would have highlighted not only his potential but his ability to deliver this season, and that is something he would have done straightaway. We offered something like €7m a year, which is low in my books.

    It felt like we were somewhat arrogant and nonchalant about the whole deal. I hope we have a better transfer strategy this summer.
     
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  15. temesgen

    temesgen Member+

    Jun 27, 2004
    Lol, Ozil has more gas in the tank... Savage.
     
  16. Hendrix22

    Hendrix22 Member+

    Feb 28, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Yes ok this year the problem was we didn't score enough. Now lets go back to Kroos being the weak link of the midfield defensively, and getting worse with each passing season in that aspect. What to do about that, sign a striker who scores even more goals?
     
  17. Estel

    Estel Member+

    May 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Kroos probably still has his best years in the future, considering that midfielders typically peak between 28-32. So it might be better to give him one more season to improve his performances before taking a decision.

    In the short term, therefore, the best option would probably be to give him a strong platform to perform well. I believe that using fewer systems and thus providing a more standard and stable way of operation for the midfield might go a long way in achieving that. Of course, that depends on the injury and form situation, since more often than not changes to the midfield setup and strategy have been dictated by these aspects, than by a propensity of tinkering on part of Zidane. Personally, I would like us to try and focus on only two systems offensively i.e. a 4-4-2 diamond and a 4-3-3, while defensively having both of them fall back to a flat 4-4-2. Since these setups seem to be the ones that the personnel we have are most comfortable with.
     
  18. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Another trophy for his cabinet, Prof Kroos

     
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  19. Umar

    Umar Member+

    Sep 13, 2005
    One step ahead
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    Thread title severely outdated :)
     
  20. S1na

    S1na Member+

    Real Madrid
    Jun 1, 2014
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    La decimo Cuarta is the trophy we are lifting next year
     
  21. Lyra

    Lyra Member+

    Apr 29, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Kroos is included in all-time Germany XI

    At the age of 28, Toni Kroos has already won more than most footballers could ever dream of and this is enough for him to have been considered one of the best German footballers of all time.

    The German newspaper Bild have put together an all-time XI of Germans who have won the World Cup and they have the Real Madrid man in their midfield.

    Their complete XI is as follows: Sepp Maier, Philipp Lahm, Franz Beckenbauer, Paul Breitner, Lothar Matthäus, Toni Kroos, Fritz Walter, Jürgen Klinsmann, Helmut Rahn, Gerd Muller, Miroslav Klose.

    http://www.marca.com/en/world-cup/2018/05/29/5b0d4a28ca4741eb1b8b4642.html
     
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  22. 4x4s

    4x4s Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 26, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Kroos is also the first German to ever win the CL with two different teams, and the only German with 4 CL trophies. Clearly, he should be considered one of the best German players in history.
     
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  23. MaxY

    MaxY Member+

    May 24, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    In general people don't appreciate this RM team enough. All of our players have a case for being one of the greatest in each position.

    Navas,Ramos,Marcelo,Varane,Kroos,Case,Modric,Ronaldo. Hell,even Benzema. He's the 4th top scorer in UCL of all time.
     
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  24. russian hattie

    russian hattie Member+

    Feb 5, 2006
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This is something I started thinking with Ramos. He is up there with Beckenbauer, or at the very a least a good argument could be made. One of the greatest defenders of all time. But then you go through each player and you start thinking the same.
     
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  25. MadridUSA

    MadridUSA Member

    Dec 2, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Since 2013-14, we’ve had:

    Casillas—legend, though past his peak by then)
    Navas—one of the best GKs in the world, especially in the 2015-16 season
    Marcelo—widely considered best LB in the world the past few years
    Coentrao—was in Euro 2012 team of the tournament and L’Equipe’s 2010 Ideal Eleven
    Ramos—will probably be considered best defender since Maldini
    Pepe—only player to make the Euro team of the tournament in 2008, 2012, and 2016
    Varane—one of the best CBs for years now, and he’s only 25
    Carvajal—considered best RB in the world by many
    Alonso—best DM and distributor in the world for years
    Kroos—multiple World XI appearances and took over Alonso’s title of best distributor in the world
    Di Maria—made FifPro World XI as box-to-box midfielder in 2014
    Casemiro—one of the best destroyers in the world, many will put him ahead of Kanté and Vidal
    Modric—best midfielder of the past five years at least
    James—best AM in the world
    Isco—one of the best AMs and current star of Spain’s attack
    Benzema—tied for 4th most Champions League goals ever
    Bale—best winger in the world for multiple years, 2-time Premier League player of the year
    Ronaldo—could be the GOAT
     
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