Review: {kings cup 09}

Discussion in 'Saudi Arabia' started by al ittihady, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    And with todays results, Al Shabab take the final Champions League place for 2010.
     
  2. al ittihady

    al ittihady Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Club:
    Al Ittihad Jeddah
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
  3. burning_phoneix

    Jul 13, 2008
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Al Wehda Mecca
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    So Hazazi's full time job is in the military? :D
     
  4. PinoyMarauder

    PinoyMarauder Member

    Apr 10, 2008
    Philippines/Canada
    why do y ou even post this? We all know that he wont be going to europe he would never be there even if he wanted ittihad will either police him her in S.A or the FA would do it themselves.
     
  5. al ittihady

    al ittihady Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Club:
    Al Ittihad Jeddah
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    i just wanted to show populerness of saudi players....
     
  6. PinoyMarauder

    PinoyMarauder Member

    Apr 10, 2008
    Philippines/Canada
    there not. There are a good number of Saudi players that should be playing right now in Europe but the lack of professionalism in your country prevents them from going.
     
  7. burning_phoneix

    Jul 13, 2008
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Al Wehda Mecca
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    What lack of professionalism?

    I hear that word a lot but no one ever elaborates at what makes Saudi players so "unproffesional".
     
  8. Sayf

    Sayf New Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    Club:
    Al Hilal Riyadh
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Ok here's some examples:

    (1) bad diet
    (2) bad physical training; slacking off from fitness training
    (3) only 1 daily training session instead of 2
    (4) unwillingness to develop their own technique. How many genuine free-kick specialists do we have? They basically want the manager to babysit them and tell them what to do.
    (5) shameless time-wasting (though Saudi players are MUCH better than their Gulfie neighbors). Some of it is unintentional, but Cosmin once produced a study that showed that the actual play in the Saudi league is much less than in other leagues (something like 35 minutes if I remember correctly)
     
  9. burning_phoneix

    Jul 13, 2008
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Al Wehda Mecca
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    All those can be applied to players anywhere really. except #3 because Saudi Premier League was only semi-pro until recently.

    It's not like Saudi players do the same shenanigans European players get to when they get a day off.

    EDIT: Isn't the manager's job to tell players what to do? 0_o
     
  10. PinoyMarauder

    PinoyMarauder Member

    Apr 10, 2008
    Philippines/Canada


    It is but that does not matter if the player wont follow. Anyways, its not only the players that is the Problem the Saudi FA is obviously the biggest problem a problem that may never got solved.
     
  11. Sayf

    Sayf New Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    Club:
    Al Hilal Riyadh
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    But it's worse with Saudi players compared to Europe or East Asia.

    They do actually, but that's not really the problem.

    Players should take the initiative and developing their skills. Do you think Beckham got so good at free-kicks just by doing what Ferguson told the players to do everyday? He definitely set aside some time on his own to practice.

    Some old Hilali players that played alongside Roberto Rivellino said they were amazed at how he would stay on the training ground for two hours after everyone had left practicing his free-kicks, even though he was 32 and already the best free-kick taker in the world.

    Of course FK's are just one example. There are other techniques that a player can work on. I suppose this is something that has to be taught at an early age (that's why there's such a huge difference between the current generation that Al-Hilal is producing for example, and the generation of the 90's that was developed in the 80's when there was a very strong youth program in place).
     
  12. burning_phoneix

    Jul 13, 2008
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Al Wehda Mecca
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    Except according to Sayf, they DO listen to their managers.

    There's the catch, how many players in Europe actually do that? Very few actually. I think this will change now that the league is all professional. You've got to remember until very recently (and I think many players still are) is semi-professional. They have day jobs and can't afford to train as often.

    Matter of the fact is that Saudi players have a higher discipline than most of the European prima donnas who hang around night clubs every day of the week and get into drunken fights and arrested.

    How do we know that?
     
  13. Sayf

    Sayf New Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    Club:
    Al Hilal Riyadh
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    That's not what I'm saying.

    Look at it this way: the Saudi player is like the student who goes to class and does the bare minimum just to get a passing grade and not get yelled at, and can't wait for class to be over so he can do something else [i.e. me :D], while another student is studying his socks off trying to get an A++ and reading outside the curriculum in his spare time.

    What makes you so sure?

    By the way you're making it sound like everyone was amateur until this year. We've always had a high proportion of pros (probably a majority in the big 4 or 5 clubs) since 1993.
     
  14. al ittihady

    al ittihady Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Club:
    Al Ittihad Jeddah
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    do al ahly jeddah produce real professionals as they have there own academy...talking about professionalism in saudi league.i think we are some what professionals .even after we dont have any players in foriegn leagues we do well in asian cupp and wcq unlike japan and iran who have always struggled...the matter here is that wheather link news was true or was a fake 1..
    On saudi sports every friday they telecast 1 program discussing saudi league...many of them said naif hazazi is the most likely saudi player who can move to europe..
     
  15. Sayf

    Sayf New Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    Club:
    Al Hilal Riyadh
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    His main strength is his aerial ability and he's not even that tall by European standards. I doubt we'll see him or any other Saudi player in Europe anytime soon.
     
  16. burning_phoneix

    Jul 13, 2008
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Al Wehda Mecca
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    Okay I get your point.


    Because it's really hard to do that in Saudi Arabia.:D

    But are they "true" pros? Abulaziz Al Saraan and Ahmed Al-Mousa are both "professional" players. Yet, when they retire they're going right back to their old jobs. They're like in a twilight zone between Semi-pro and Pro. Even young players like Saad Al Harthi still go to college (like some teachers college or some shit like that)

    Not tall? He's only like 2 inches shorter than Adebayor and Drogba.:confused:

    And why won't we see Saudi players in Europe, we got small nations like Canada and Honduras in the premier league and you're telling me we can't get players in middle strength European leagues?
     
  17. PinoyMarauder

    PinoyMarauder Member

    Apr 10, 2008
    Philippines/Canada
    Its not really a matter of lack of skills..
     
  18. Sayf

    Sayf New Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    Club:
    Al Hilal Riyadh
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    That doesn't mean every player who plays in Europe is some kind of wild party animal.

    Two inches is pretty significant! I don't think he'd be considered tall by Bundesliga standards that's for sure.

    I don't know, you tell me. What bugs me is that foreign players in our league routinely end up with European offers (e.g. Hassan Keita is in Spain now, and Prince Tagoe apparently has a number of offers).
     
  19. burning_phoneix

    Jul 13, 2008
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Al Wehda Mecca
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    I never said that but I just wanted to know why people consider players from nations such as Brazil "professional" when they've got guys like Ronaldhinho, Ronaldo (fat) and Adriano being unprofessional **********. Surely, there are good professionals and undisciplined primma donnas in Saudi Arabia as well?

    You're telling me not to make blanket statements but your statement is quite er... blankety as well.

    :cool:

    Vahid Hashemian made a pretty good immpresion at Bochum while only being 6 ft tall.

    And really, better jumping and positioning can easily make up for those mere two inches. And Hazzazi CAN jump.


    But I was asking you. :(

    That is pretty weird.
     
  20. Sayf

    Sayf New Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    Club:
    Al Hilal Riyadh
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Well there are all kinds of other variables at play with a country like Brazil so you can't really compare. But then again, the players you mentioned don't really negate the importance of professonalism: Ronaldinho's form crashed dramatically at age 26 or 27, and Adriano has been a big flop in Europe (Ronaldo only really became fat due to his weak knees :().

    Which one? I make all kinds of statements bro I can't keep track of them all. :D

    Yeah, let's hope Hazzazi works on developing those abilities. Maybe Hamza can give him some special training.
     
  21. burning_phoneix

    Jul 13, 2008
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Al Wehda Mecca
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    You know that all Saudis slack off fitness training on your list and stuff.

    Also note that Adebayor and Drogba are some of the best players players in the world. I wasn't saying Hazzazi would be Arsenal's or Chelsea's main striker but he could do well in leagues like France or Turkey for example.
     
  22. Sayf

    Sayf New Member

    Jul 25, 2008
    Club:
    Al Hilal Riyadh
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Just to provide some closure to this thread, Shabab won the cup today 4-0.

    If there's one team that can be considered Ittihad's bogey team in final matches, it's Shabab. It's now at 5-2, with Ittihad's last win coming ten years ago in the FA Cup.

    I wonder, if the old "Golden Square" system had not been scrapped, would Shabab have won the last two league titles instead of Al-Hilal and Al-Ittihad?
     
  23. burning_phoneix

    Jul 13, 2008
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Al Wehda Mecca
    Nat'l Team:
    Saudi Arabia
    Why does the King always come at half time?
     

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