Kim Jin-su @ TSG 1899 Hoffenheim 2015-2016 [R]

Discussion in 'Korean Players Abroad' started by Gayageum, Aug 7, 2015.

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  1. takeuchi

    takeuchi Member+

    Jan 20, 2013
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    He isn't weak imo. But agreed.. if you exclude work rate and stamina.. he doesn't offer much. He can be aggressive going forward but he doesn't have the necessary football IQ. If you are going to be aggressive/offensive modern full-back..... you better have some end product but he doesn't (he doesn't lack basic technical ability.. which is good imo but he can't cross).
     
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  2. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    And here's the big BUT: he has got a lot of potential and needs to go to a smaller club/league to regain his true talents (which he's shown casually at KNT and in early Hoffenheim days and sometimes under Steven). Let's all agree on that.
     
  3. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Kim left out of the match-day squad.
     
  4. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Kinda funny how Sule keeps making hilarious errors and goes from Olympic team to NT call up. We have so much anger for young defenders who make far less mistakes.
     
  5. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    What are you talking about? He's been playing fine today o_O.
     
  6. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Got dispossessed twice in his own box leading to two great chances.
     
  7. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Once. He's been alright today. Better than his fellow CB Schar or that RB Leipzig CB Orban.

    Also, remember that our U-23 defenders play in way worse leagues than this, and not even as starters in some cases.

    Jang Hyun-Soo showed some horrific defending for Guangzhou R&F this season a lot worse than Sule.
     
  8. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I watch Sule most every week and every week he has huge blunders. Yes he shows great upside and far more than our defenders.

    My point isn't to compare our guys vs Sule. But we melt down over young players making young player mistakes while Germany looks past that.

    That said we will see how long Hoffenheim willing to tolerate Ochs defense vs promise.
     
  9. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    What do you mean we? As in the fans, media, or the NT selectors?

    If you are referring to the fans, there is no player on this planet that don't get sh*t on by their fans.
     
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  10. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Just musing watching Sule. And some of overreactions over the years.
     
  11. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
  12. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    unclear what conclusions anyone is supposed to make when its 7-0 before HT. nope 10 now.
     
  13. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Down by 3 after 25 min
     
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  14. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    I don't know but I got this feeling that Nagelsmann is just an overhyped manager who will fail to impress with his "revolutionary tactics". His transfer strategy, formations and player selections are much more questionnable than what Stielike's doing for KNT IMO (eg playing with two strikers Kramaric and Uth as wingers, etc).

    Of course he could also be just too young, maybe he IS a big manager talent. But he hasn't impressed me so far. Even without Kim JS biased point of view.
     
  15. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I think history of football has always shown too much credit to managers who survive relegation.

    For Hoffenheim fans it was a refreshing turn to attacking football and for German media, nice story between his age and his promotion of young German players.

    I think like many young managers he needs to learn pragmatism. We will see if he sticks around long enough to do so.

    My bias only kicks in when he's tried so many fullbacks to equal and repeated fail and yet still freezes out KJS. If ochs or toljan showed any ability to defend id understand more
     
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  16. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    This. It's not that I'd like Kim JS to start just based on the fact that he's Korean. But at least give him a try if no one else is significantly better, god dammit.
     
  17. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    We will see if Mainz red card will paper over cracks in defensive meltdown as Hoffenheim claw back within one
     
  18. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    Ok, I'll take it back. Even with one man more, it's not easy to come back after 1-4. I should've waited a little bit before posting :D
     
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  19. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    Doesn't change my mind about some of his player selecting decisions. At least he seems to be very tactically flexible, which old school managers like Stielike are not.
     
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  20. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
  21. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    despite kaderabek suspended and toljan not being 100%, KJS cant even warm the bench
     
  22. killaorca

    killaorca Red Card

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    Isn't he sick or something?
     
  23. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Its been 8 days. It must be notwantedhereivitis.
     
  24. killaorca

    killaorca Red Card

    AFC Ajax
    May 11, 2010
    Pacific Ocean
    Club:
    RSC Anderlecht
    been there, Canadian weather I tell you.

    Seriously though he should go back to Japan or something, idk.
     
  25. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I wonder if he hadn't gone to military camp if he'd be gone already? I'd have thought he had some resale value before this season but now who will want him who didn't get him then?
     

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