If you take the prem champs to a relegation spot and cant Manure into CL spot after spending 100 mil+ then yeah i guess he has.
winning the scudetto with a not so great Milan side is an achievement. taking a team that couldnt make it past the europa semis to CL final is an achievement. Though not comparable to those achievements Mourinhos happened more than 10 years ago and Simeone still had a fantastic squad. Not to mention Allegri has only coached a top squad for about 3 years now (Milan squad was not comparable to the likes of Madrid, Barca, Bayern)
This dude mentioned Emery, mourinho & guardiola better than Allegri. Im still laughing LOL Grass is surely greener on the other side. I feel bad for these type of Juve fans. Cant even enjoy our success and act like its 2010
Mourinho, Guardiola and Emery all have european titles, multiple ones. Allegri has none, so yes, they are better managers. Until Allegri delivers something more than what's expected then he is not superior to any of those coaches mentioned.
Emery has a Europa League title not UCL. If Allegri dropped out the CL groups and won the Europa league would he finally reach Emery's level? Also like IAF mentioned Sevilla have jumped to a new level since Sampoli took over
Is that not a european title? I didn't specify UCL or EL, I said EUROPEAN TITLE. And he has 3 of them, not just one. Oh, and they were 3 in a row. New level? Talk to me when Sevilla win another 3 EL's in a row, without Emery
Im not saying that its not a european im saying its worthless compared to a UCL title. Quique Flores won it with Atleti in 2010 guess regardless of the fact that he was sacked by Watford last season he's still better than Allegri, Conte, Simeone, Klopp, and Wenger since they have no European titles to their names. Yes they are at a new level. Currently only 1 point behind Barca unlike Emery's era where they were Madrid and Barca's whipping boys.
Arguing this with you isn't gonna get me anywhere. Context buddy, the ******** does Flores have to do with anything? Winning 3 EL in a row with a mediocre Sevilla is a hell of an accomplishment. Is he better than Allegri? Comparable. Guardiola, I hate him with a passion and i think he's overrated as hell, but he's still better than Allegri. Same with Mourinho
What Mourihno did with Porto and Simeone is doing with Atleti is extraordinary. No question about that. Aside from that though, most managers of top clubs have incredible squads in this era where stars are consolidated into a few teams. Pep inherited a Barca side that had won a CL two years before he arrived. He had arguably the greatest player of all time to compliment a core of Spanish players that formed one of the best NTs ever. This certainly doesn't diminish what he did as a coach even if he had the most talented side in Europe. The same can be said when he moved to a treble winning Bayern side.
Allegri isn't even through his third year with Juve. How can we assess him fully when this team still has everything to play for? How can anyone compare him to Pep, Ancelloti, Mourihno, etc where these coaches have been at elite level clubs for so much longer than Allegri? Milan are historically a massive side, but they were far below that standard while under Allegri. What we know is that in two full seasons he has two domestic doubles, a CL final, and a 70% winning % in Italy. At the very very least he has absolutely met very very high expectations. As for the EL, with all due respect to Emery, if Juve are even playing in the EL then Allegri has failed. Fortunately under Allegri Juve have not been eliminated in the CL group stage or finished outside of a CL place. Let's wait and judge Allegri after his time at Juve comes to an end.
Back, been gone for few days for the holidays, I am ready for January already and I hope the team is ready too!
Agreed. Guardiola was the recipient of a great side. However, he managed to win Champions League and won domestic titles both home and abroad. There is a reason that top sides like Bayern and City want Guardiola. Allegri is not in the same class.
With Barcelona, he was lucky by the refs to win the treble. The only real UCL he won was 2010-11. But Barcelona were an amazing side with Messi, Villa, Busquets, Iniesta, and Xavi at their prime. With Bayern, he won the Bundesliga, but Bayern were shoulders above everyone else during his 3 seasons. With Man City, he isn't really exceeding expectations. The only real impressive thing he did with Man City was beat Barca 3-1 at home, but not to mention that Barca were missing a variety of key players especially in defense. Also their finishing was really unlucky, and hit the crossbar twice. In fact Man City has been really struggling in defense recently. If he fails against Monaco, he will lose a lot of respect from a number of people and clubs.
Well...according to the Sun, the anti-allegro forces may get their way this summer: http://www.football-italia.net/96180/allegri-‘wants-arsenal-dynasty’
So Guardiola isn't all that special because only one of his Champions League trophies was legit? Got it. How does that compare to Allegri and all of his Champions League trophies? Further, you undermine Guardiola's titles with Bayern because "Bayern were shoulders above everyone else during his 3 seasons." What team hasn't Juve been shoulders above in Italy during Allegri's tenure? Guardiola hasn't even managed City for half a season, and you've decided that he hasn't exceeded expectations? Really?
What other team wanted him after Milan let him go? The reason we got him was because he was the best available when Conte left abruptly that summer. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been our top choice.
That side had Nesta, Silva, Gattuso, Seedorf, Ibra and Pirlo. Are you serious? Then, he sells Pirlo to Juventus to basically cement our dominance ever since.
other than ibra an without ronaldinho it was the same Milan that United put past 7 the season before and finished 3rd in serie A.
If he were to leave this summer its not far fetched to think sides like Bayern or Citeh would want him. I mean he was strongly linked with Madrid and Chelsea last season
tbf Guordiola inherited a treble winning side while Allegri got a side that was eliminated in the europa league semis.
Nonsense. Any team with Ibrahimovic at that time was simply head and shoulders above the rest. He should have won it the following year as well, and they probably would have, had Allegri not handled Tiago Silva's injury so terribly. Instead, they were defeated by a squad whose major forward signing was Mirko Vucinic because that squad had simply wanted it more. Yeah, we weren't in Europe and they were. But as Inter have demonstrated so well over the past few seasons, not being in Europe doesn't guarantee a top four finish, let alone the Scudetto. All that Milan sided needed was a little bit of spine and tenacity, and they more than likely would have still won the league that year. But of course, that can all be excused away as the fault of someone else.
Carlo Ancellotti was sacked after two years. And that was plenty enough time to assess his accomplishments with Juventus (because there were none). 3 years is enough to assess any manager, whether they're a success or failure.