June 2019 Democratic Primary Debates - pre game/pbp/post game thread

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  1. ceezmad

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    They say money will not buy you an election, but it can buy you a place in the debates.


    They also explain the reason on why there have been few polls during the holidays.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whos-in-steyer-and-whos-out-of-the-january-debate/
     
  2. ceezmad

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    Pete Buttigieg has released a 1 trillion infrastructure plan.

    https://peteforamerica.com/policies/infrastructure/

    As far as I can tell, no mention on how to pay for it. But hey If I were him I would say, Mexico will pay for it, just like Trumps wall.

    Here they have some of the how to pay for it, I did not see it in the origianl. perhaps I missed it.

    https://www.citylab.com/transportat...-infrastructure-plan-2020-vision-zero/604708/
     
  3. ceezmad

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    Sanders is now leading in Iowa.

    He can win Iowa, he can win New Hampshire.

    He will most likely lose South Carolina, but then he could win in Nevada.


    That would set him up nicely for Super Tuesday.


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    https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2020/images/01/10/rel1_ia.-.democrats.pdf

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-sanders-now-leads-a-wide-open-iowa-race/



    Iowa has this 15% rule for your candidate to be "viable" that means if in your district/voting location, your candidate has less then 15% support, you can pick a different candidate or go home.

    At the end only Candidates with a total over 15% will get delegates.

    We could have a result with 4 candidates with delegates, or one of (maybe even 2) Bidden, Warren or Buttiegieg could slip below the 15% and end up with not a single delegate.
     

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  4. soccernutter

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    As was pointed out on the news, they are all within the margin of error.

    but from looking at the poll, itself (pictured above), I think that second number, the "second choice" is very relevant considering how Iowa caucuses.
     
  5. ceezmad

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    And then there is this.

    2 different polls, both ranked as very good, come out with slightly different results.

    All with in the margin of error.


    Monmouth

    CNN/DES MOINES REGISTER/MEDIACOM IOWA POLL

     
  6. Walia Ibex

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    I want to see some fight in this debate. Your running for POTUS its 3 weeks until the Iowa caucuses time to contrast, hit back and differentiate yourselves. If you can't fight against or defend yourself in the Primary you are not tough enough to go against the biggest smear, fear monger in Trump. This primary has been so damn boring because these candidates haven't shown grit or determination to claim this nomination for themselves. The most passive primary in over a half century. Crap Bill Bradely had no chance vs Gore in 2000 and he fought harder than these Dems who all have a fighting chance to be the nominee (the top 4 anyway).

    Maybe this isn't appropriate in this thread but the Iowa caucuses are so undemocratic and the fact that two small overwhelmingly white states like Iowa and New Hampshire have such an outsized influence on the nominating process of a large diverse multicultural party like the Democrats is beyond ridiculous.
     
  7. stanger

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    Yeah, why go to rural America at all? Just have NYC and LA tell the rest of the country who to vote for.
     
  8. ceezmad

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    Because elections are a state affair and those states picked to have their primaries earlier than other states.

    It is not a conspiracy, it is the way shit worked out.


    Maybe if people want to change it, they should vote for candidates that are skipping the 4 early primaries and going all in on Super Tuesday *Bloomberg).
     
  9. Q*bert Jones III

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    NYC and LA are four times as big as Iowa.
     
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  10. ceezmad

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    They should become States.
     
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  13. stanger

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    And the issues that interest people in NYC and LA are exactly the same as those living in Iowa.
     
  14. Walia Ibex

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    You clearly cannot see the forest from the trees. My point was Iowa and NH are not representative of the country let alone the Democratic electorate.
     
  15. Walia Ibex

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    You clearly cannot see the forest from the trees. My point was Iowa and NH are not representative of the country let alone the Democratic electorate. But that's beginning to change especially this year and it's for the better.
     
  16. Q*bert Jones III

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    Sorry, I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not.
     
  17. ceezmad

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    Are democrats getting whiter or are Iowa and NH getting less white?
     
  18. bigredfutbol

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    Do you think it's good to give a caucus in a White, rural state priority in the primary process?
     
  19. superdave

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    This is a straw man argument, right?
    There's a reason corn subsidies and ethanol are politically untouchable. Every Senator thinks he might be president one day, so no Senator wants to piss off corn farmers.

    If North Carolina had put in an early caucus in, say, 1972, tobacco regulation would be 1/10 what it is today.
     
  20. bigredfutbol

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    Of course.

    The fact that an unrepresentative state like Iowa goes first would be less of a problem if it wasn't a caucus.
     
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  21. superdave

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    I'm curious, bigredfutbol, what is the meaning behind your sig? ;)

    As to caucuses...drives me effing nuts that Bernie's biggest fans make a bad faith argument wrt caucuses. They are plainly LESS democratic than primaries.
     
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  22. bigredfutbol

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    #797 bigredfutbol, Jan 14, 2020
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    I need to update that. I was dealing with a couple of people whom I suspect that article would apply to. But it's been a while. And I'm no closer to knowing whether actual narcissism was in play.

    Truth.
     
  23. Walia Ibex

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    Neither. The winner will be because of.more diverse, more populous states on super Tuesday. Unless biden wins both then its done.
     
  24. bigredfutbol

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    I think the Sanders campaign is gearing up to play spoiler no matter what.
     
  25. JohnR

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    The essence of the Bernie Complaint was "My highly motivated followers don't effectively get more votes than do casual Democrats." Or maybe to be fair that was more the followers' complaint than Bernie himself. I didn't follow those details closely.
     
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