Jozy and the Footycats: Altidore at Sunderland

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  1. Borrachin

    Borrachin Member+

    Feb 28, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What Bradley needs to do is keep on climbing the latter and hopefully he gets a shot at a better league, but he must earn it over there. What he did for MLS, USMNT and Egypt NT means nothing.
     
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  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Bingo. Europeans only care about what you do in Europe.
     
  3. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    And that's shitty. He shouldn't have to climb anything over there. Poyet gets a PL team handed to him after doing what? What the F has Joe Kinnear done? Bradley has coached top flight players in big tournaments. The biggest. Poyet, Hughes, Allardyce? They're all in the sandbox.
     
  4. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Explain to me how Brendan Rodgers is a better manager than Bradley and I'll listen.
     
  5. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Eh. But no other country has an American football league so I can't see it.
     
  6. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It doesn't mean "nothing," but like you say, he'll need to do well at Stabaek, then keep doing well at his next Euro club, before he'll be considered for a team in a higher rated league. I think he's garnered a some decent attention with MLS, USNT, & the Egypt NT.
     
  7. striker

    striker Member

    Aug 4, 1999
    What was Don Garber's previous job?
     
  8. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Brian McBride was on the search committee last time the Fulham job was open.

    If he didn't get a chance at that job, with an American owner.......
     
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  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Once when I was in my 20s, I got laid off (with several other people) after our company was bought out by some other, and they brought their own people. I was in a tough spot, and remember complaining, "I've been here for four years, why am I let go? Some of those guys they bring have barely been with the mother company for a year! It's not fair!"

    Guy in charge, who was also getting laid off, told me: "Kiddo, life ain't fair."

    Words to live by.
     
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  10. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What he needs are connections in England if he wants to coach in England.
     
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  11. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    LOLz.
     
  12. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The idea that Bradley has to claw his way up and get great results with zero budget is insane. That doesn't mean he's a good manager if he succeeds that way. There are very few active PL managers that can trump Bradley's resume. Wenger, Pellegrini, Jose, LvG. That's about it.

    Felix Magath!
     
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  13. Borrachin

    Borrachin Member+

    Feb 28, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Believe it or not, other countries play football. They might not be professional, but there are coaches out there. Ok then, use basketball as an example instead of football. Bradley might be better coach than 10 EPL coaches, but it doesn't matter because someone needs to give you an opportunity. I don't agree with it, but i do understand them.
     
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  14. Borrachin

    Borrachin Member+

    Feb 28, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With an American owner to add to it!

    Edit..oops did not read your full reply, but definitely sad
     
  15. Borrachin

    Borrachin Member+

    Feb 28, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He wasn't hired to coach the game. He is a business man and was hired to run the league where all the money is that. You don't hire a coach to run that operation.
     
  16. Brock Hannsen

    Brock Hannsen Member+

    Feb 3, 2014
    Hartford, CT
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Sorry for getting off topic.

    Back to Jozy. Unveiling tomorrow, I think. Will be weird, but I'm buying a ticket to see him and Bradley.
     
  17. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So it's Rubio Rubin now right? A New Hope part 80
     
  18. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you familiar with the concept of pedigree? While I will humor you, let me first ask why should anyone make a case for Martinez or Rodgers or Redknapp? You want to further an idea, make a case for why Bradley should get a look at Everton or Liverpool or even QPR. That would be interesting.

    Where and under whom has Bob Bradley studied coaching? The U.S. University system and the MLS... Rodgers started with youth in England, taking his time to travel to learn from some of the best producers of youth talent in the world, before being taken on by Mourinho who is one of the most successful managers of the past decade. From there he took his lumps in the English leagues before getting Swansea promoted to the prem for the first time in 30 years and managing them to a strong mid-table season in the top flight. This is a team that people thought would be near the relegation zone. That's why he's at Liverpool. And btw he's no sacred cow; people still are talking about him being fired because LFC lost one of the 3 best players in the world, have had one of the best strikers in the prem injured most of the season, and remain 5 points back of 4th.

    So yeah, that's the case for Rodgers. What's Bradley's case? He went to Princeton? Got a handful of surprising results with a bunker-counter, empty-bucket 4-4-2? I like Bradley, but your post is nonsense.
     
  19. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Bob hasn't done anything of note at club level. It's a very different job than managing internationally. Look at Joachim Low's club career before joining the German program.

    Poyet played at a high level in England before taking Brighton from the bottom of League One to promotion contenders in the Championship.

    Hughes was a stalwart at United and did exceptionally well at Blackburn, helped build the new City, and then had rough patches at smaller-than-the-Premier-League Fulham and QPR, but his Stoke team is decent.

    Allardyce was basically the only reason Bolton were ever in the Premier League, and managed to qualify them for Europe. And he has West Ham on the verge of the same.

    You act like these guys are just slobs from the street. Bradley will get a chance at a higher level if he earns it in Norway (see: Ole Gunnar Solskjaer). Right now though, all he has to his name that matters to clubs are three cup wins from last century.
     
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  20. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This thread is admittedly (and thankfully, mercifully) on its last legs, but that doesn't mean it has become a place to rant and rave.
     
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  21. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, uh, folks...

    Why are we having this conversation about coaching in the Altidore thread rather than, say, oh...I dunno...the Bradley thread?

    Seriously, this thread's about to get locked down and I can move this coaching specific conversation to the Bradley coaching thread if you want to continue it there.
     
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  22. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two great minds with but a single, albeit somewhat differently expressed, thought.
     
  23. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    You obviously haven't met @Ringo or sevens7ar yet or you'd know how tactically inept Bradley is.
     
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  24. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    What do you mean "become?"
     
  25. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    It's also worth pointing out the club jobs that followed for World Cup-winning managers:

    2014: Joachim Low (still with Germany)
    2010: Vicente del Bosque (still with Spain)
    2006: Marcello Lippi (retirement, Italy again, Guangzhou Evergrande)
    2002: Luiz Felipe Scolari (Portugal for 6 years, Chelsea)
    1998: Alme Jacquet (retired)
    1994: Carlos Alberto Parreira (midtable Valencia)
    1990: Franz Beckenbauer (Marseille)

    So you basically have to go back 25 years before you find a guy who landed a good club job after winning the World Cup. I don't know why anyone would expect Bob to do anywhere near as well given a Round of 16 exit and a failed Egyptian qualification campaign.

    Stabaek is perhaps slightly beneath Bob's resume, but not by a ton.
     

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