Rumor: Jozy Altidore - New European Interest

I've seen nothing but stuff that seem to lead back to the Carlisle and Usry articles, and on cryptic tweet from Jozy that was quickly deleted.

Perhaps a Dempsey-style loan after MLS season?

 

Technically, it's football. Lot's of clubs pursue lots of players. I could see Nagbe improving Celtic. Why woudln't they pursue him? I take it you're saying that until there's a contract on the table and the player has to sign or decline, it's all sturm und drang? but isn't this how recruitment works? You identify a player, intensify the scouting, bring in the player for a chat and see where it heads from there?
Smart players use this as a contract tool, but that doesn't mean there was no mutual interest. Also, while the JA rumors seem hazy and perhaps agent driven, Nagbe to Celtic was a bit too specific to fit your narrative. Clubs don't like being used as a contract tool.

 

Do Arena teams use a high press?A player can't high press on his own, it has to be within a system and that cycle didn't seem to be all about the high press. Hell, didn't we trot out a 5-4-1 at times? You can't high press in a 5-4-1.
Also, beyond the notion of high press, didn't Arena earlier in the same campaign say that playing Howard in back to back short week games was a bit much at his age, as he needed more recovery time. Didn't he do just that?
Didn't he trot out a short week 11 that was pretty much identical to the outing a couple days before? Again, this goes back to my always go with youth in nats idea. We had too many in their prime or on the far end of prime players to use the same players in both matches. Their bodies actually do need the bounce back time.
JA and MB did not put the US on their backs and carry the side to the WCup. It's tough to blame someone for that, though. It was beyond a team failure.

 

You’re right. The guy works his socks off. All the time. He’s also reliable. You know he’ll show up for the big ones.

My bad. I’ve obviously been wrong about him before. I take it all back. I see it your way now.

 

no they don't like being used...thats why it went away quickly and they never talked about it after that.

nagbe was looking for a raise from mls thats all.

nagbe can't improve anyone he is literally the most overrated player in the league right behind bradley.

 

Really? Looks like it was a real thing. The Jozy rumor, however, looks to have been just a rumor (at least for Italy, as Italy's window closed).

 

A key player for a playoff-level MLS side is plenty good enough for the SPL; a star player could be useful in Europe. If his contract is up, he'll be a cheap, fully-fit addition to the squad in the winter window. If not, does the transfer fee make sense? If the numbers stack up, it's a no-brainer for Celtic.

For Nagbe it was no different from any of us. You're under contract with an employer where you're the/one of the rainmakers in the operations department, but you want better terms and you get an offer from a company you like that's also much better-known in your industry. However, the second offer means uprooting yourself and your family and travelling halfway around the world to resettle. You do what anyone does, you weigh the options and you take any opportunity to kick the tires.

If you take 12 hours of flights (plus layover time in New York) to be shown their facilities and meet potential workmates it means your're seriously interested, doesn't it? Otherwise why spend at least 15 hours on the road just for a quick guided tour and watching a CL game? OK, it was Barca, but you could watch Real or Bayern instead, no? And if Celtic weren't definitely, unequivocally serious why would they even let you past reception? As for them giving you the VIP treatment when you arrive . . .

It fell apart because Celtic wouldn't meet the Timbers' valuation and Nagbe wasn't prepared to force the issue. Happens all the time, everywhere, in football.

The move was real. End of.

 

so real...thats why they traded him for much less. most of that time half the league made the playoffs relax with the 'playoff level team' stuff. it was a ploy everyone knows it was there is a reason one team was interested and it disappeared despite the team trading him a year later. Also just an fyi..players can force transfers when there is real interest.guided tour...yeah you can actually go to their website and fans can get a guided tour I heard its pretty good. Dude had zero intention of leaving mls. Also an fyi...portland didn't own nagbe...mls did. portland's 'valuation' isn't a thing sorry to break the horrible news.

 

Nagbe arrived in Portland through the superdraft, and had been there for more than three years. Portland's valuation made a lot of difference in this matter.
From MLS:
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An MLS player may be transferred or loaned at any time to a non-MLS club (subject to the receiving club's applicable Federation's transfer window), and subject to the consent of the player. Upon loaning a player, clubs will receive roster relief but not Salary Budget relief unless otherwise agreed to in the loan agreement.

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Can someone shut this thread down? It's going nowhere, and neither is Jozy.

 

I laughed so much I spilled my beer.

 

Old Jozy thread is closed, so I guess I'll bump this one?

Goff's reporting that Jiangsu Suning FC are interested in paying Toronto a lot of money for the privilege of paying Jozy even more money:

As Chinese league's transfer window opens, Jiangsu Suning FC making a transfer offer of ~$10m to @TorontoFC for #usmnt striker @JozyAltidore. Contract would pay him ~$25m for 3 years. Altidore, 29, signed extension with TFC in Feb through '22 season. This year, he'll make $6.3m.

— Steven Goff (@SoccerInsider) July 1, 2019

Goff then speculates that Jozy probably doesn't want to go, given he just got engaged and all that... still, $25m over 3 years is hard to not at least consider.

 

I wouldn't hesitate if I were Jozy. We know he's not losing his roster spot for the national team anytime soon regardless of where he plays.

 

There's also a pretty massive cultural gap... Jozy wouldn't be the first person to turn down a huge contract because they didn't want to move to China. That's not to pass any sort of judgement on them as a society, but most of the large Asian nations are extremely foreign to Westerners... the gap between US and Europe is much smaller by comparison.

 

Jozy seems pretty frugal for a big-money athlete. I'd say at this point it's probably a life-style choice. How badly does he want to fund his foundation/Haiti work and how much he wants an adventure. But I think it would risk taking him out of the USMNT set-up if someone else were to pop up.

 

This would be kinda intriguing. If Jiangsu is paying $8m/yr for Jozy, they'll expect him to score loads of goals and generally perform at the level of their other marquee import strikers (Hulk, Pato, Pelle, et al.) while destroying the mostly domestic defenders. It might actually be good for his game to have that kind of burden. I also think he would handle the environment transition well and wouldn't put it past him to even become conversant in Chinese.

 

I've actually kind of wanted to see an American make a big money move to China for a while now. Not the kind of transfer we're used to.

 

I am not saying that your opinion is incorrect. I just wonder how you come to the conclusion that Jozy seems pretty frugal. Do you hang out with him much?

 

I think he would, at least within a year. Sargent,Weah, Soto are all coming along. Also Zardes and newcomer Boyd.

 

His fiancee also makes seven figures a year I think.

 

I'm honestly surprised that Donovan never got such an offer.

 

Yep... Jozy and me, chillin' in my Nippissing ice shack, bolting blues and snagging walleye.

(No, I do a lot of business in TO and if I have time off I tend to hang around the stadium and TO FC folks, and have gotten that impression - or let's say I have not gotten the impression he is exceptionally profligate, but I certainly have no first hand knowledge whatsoever.)

 

I doubt he will go. Not much fun living in China, and he makes $6.3M now. Jozy is a humble guy with modest needs he will survive on those $6.3M somehow. No reasons to screw up his lifestyle.