Jonathan Klinsmann at St.Gallen (Switzerland)

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  1. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
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    Starts in friendly:



    Note: it's 17-2 in the 2nd half.
     
  2. freisland

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    Jan 31, 2001
    That seems not-so-friendly.
     
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  3. ArsenalMetro

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    The appearance fee checks smooths over a lot of things. ;)
     
  4. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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  5. BostonRed

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  6. Gorky

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    Jul 28, 2006
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  7. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    1st game of the season is in 2 weeks.

    I checked and he's just 22. I hope all the training and atmosphere at Hertha pays off for him.
     
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  8. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    it's good that the Hertha GK coach criticized him as well. In a more recent follow up, the coach said that Klinsmann Jr was not angry about the criticism and it made him work harder.

    I recall the uproar here when it happened.:D
     
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  9. Balerion

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    Aug 5, 2006
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    No one cared that Hertha's GK coach criticized Klinsmann, people were annoyed that he insulted the work ethic of all American players in how he phrased his criticism.
     
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  10. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    eh I don't recall it was about all American players. If it helped the player than no one should be annoyed.

    coaches and management openly criticize players all the time.

    and I've seen some Hertha fans who stated that Jonathan did not have good GK training in USA. That he essentially had to start from scratch. And his move to Hertha was mostly based on connections to his dad just like his move to Gallen seems to be.
     
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  11. Balerion

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    "These last two or three months haven't been good. We aren't happy with his progress, he's still a little too American," Petry told the domestic media

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/90mi...o-american-for-bundesliga-20180307-story.html


    It's a dickish thing to say. Of course the overall quality of coaching in the US isn't the best, but if this guy who coaching Christian Pulisic, there's no chance he ever would have credited the American training that Pulisic received.
     
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  12. Deeneaus

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    Aug 29, 2007
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    Shouldn't stray into this, but I'm curious.

    What does "...there's too much American left in him" mean to you?

    Or the German quote:

    "Das ernsthafte, das konzentrierte, das fokussierte betrifft. Das hat ihm noch nicht so ganz erreicht. Er ist noch ein bisschen zu amerikanisch."
     
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  13. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    your taking him saying he's too laidback, needs to get more into. Not the right mentality that's what he means.

    it's not dickish at all. He wants him to be better than he is.
     
  14. Balerion

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    Aug 5, 2006
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    Come on.

    If he doesn't have the right mentality, then say he doesn't have the right mentality. There's no reason to say it in a way that implies that all Americans have a shitty mentality.

    Unless he was trying to be a dick. (Which he was.)


    BTW, for all the sins and flaws of American players, having a bad mentality historically has not been prominent among them.
     
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  15. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    what's the American mentality? That we are laid back or that we work too hard?

    Had he said "he's too African or too Croatian or too Vietnamese" that'd have been far more controversial.
     
  16. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    I mean people shouldn't complain about "treatment" if your the one going to another country to work. No one forced you to leave and go there. And once there, different standards are applied.

    just seems like taking offense due to the American mention even though he's talking about only 1 player.

    he also left Hertha because he wasn't really making progress either with younger GKs getting ahead of him and more than 1 as well. Seems like 1 GK, a year older was ahead and then 2 GKs one 2 years younger and another 3 years younger were all getting ahead of him. Had Klinsmann Jr stayed he would have dropped to like GK #6 at the club
     
  17. ArsenalMetro

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    ............

    ********ing hell this is a bad opinion.
     
  18. Balerion

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    Aug 5, 2006
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    Okay, let me try this in another context.

    "Ger90 keeps missing the point. He's still a little German."

    See? That's dickish on multiple levels.

    I don't think Klinsmann is very good, but that's not the point.
     
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  19. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    I mean Klinsmann Jr was not offended by the comments and it made him work harder. Why is it a bad opinion?
    I didn't find your example using me to being dickish. I really see more USA fans getting offended.

    besides Klinsmann Jr is a German-America dual as well. He's not only an American maybe the GK coach wanted to see more German traits? Could be as simple as that.
     
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  20. ArsenalMetro

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    "People shouldn't complain about how they're treated if they go to another country to work" is a horrifying opinion to hold. Like, a re-evaluate everything about yourself type of opinion.
     
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  21. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    lol, I'm not talking about any sort of abuse. We are talking about footballers only not every line of work out there. He wasn't harassed or abused by anyone just criticized for his not good enough standards at that point in time.
     
  22. Sufjan Guzan

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    Feb 13, 2016
    In fairness having been all over the country, I could see the Californian mentality really grating on German football coaches. Klinsy Jr seems pretty Californian.

    That being said, I hope his move does well. It's fun watching goalkeepers travel.
     
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  23. Brotheryoungbuck

    Jan 24, 2015
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    This guy is just here to not like the players of a country that performs lower than his own internationally, all while this country has no relevance to him, his national team, or even his confederation. It’s a strange hobby, it’s literally trolling, don’t let it get under your skin.
     
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  24. Ger90

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    May 13, 2016
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    discussing a player is trolling?lol. I have interest in the progress of German-American players even if they don't play for Germany.Is Klinsmann Jr not born in Germany to a German Legend father? I neither like nor dislike Klinsmann Jr. I call things as I see them your welcome to agree or disagree, makes no difference to me.

    I thought it was said numerous times by mods not to bring NT discussions in the Yank abroad forums anyways. This is more about club talk.
     
  25. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    how do you figure that about him?
     

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