Jesse Marsch out at Leeds, rumored for Southampton job

Mindful of Bradley and Wagner's recent experiences, I still think this has to be the biggest club an American has ever coached at.

One that reached the Europa League semi-finals last year, with a pretty good shot of playing in the Champions League group stages next year.

 

Good for him. We need it as it is becoming more and more apparent that not only do our players need to train with the best overseas, so do our coaches.

 

I’ve always liked Marsch. Glad to see him gets his shot

 

Boring league, but it's a solid opportunity. He just has to win the league by March to keep his job by April and all is fine. If he can somehow guide them to a CL knockout round, he'd be a HIT.

 

You're right. They have the play-off match

 

Here's what a BBC article from today says:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48218727

On the other hand, some other sources I've seen seem to suggest that as long as Tottenham manage to hold onto 4th place in the Premier League and don't blow an 8 goal differential advantage this weekend, RB Salzburg will go straight into the group stages regardless.

 

So there's an earlier version of that same BBC article (written by the same author). And they basically seem to contradict.

The winning team of UCL and Europa automatically get a place in the next year's UCL group stage - and if they've already qualified for a place in the group stage via their league position, then their auto-berth will go to the next team in their league who has to go into the UCL playoffs.England doesn't have any playoff spots, so the berth then goes another playoff team in the next highest-ranked league.

That means either (1) the top playoff team in the highest-ranked league with playoff spaces (the 3rd-place team in 5th-ranked French Ligue 1), or (2) the champion of the highest-ranked league that doesn't auto-qualify for the group stage (11th-ranked Austrian Bundesliga).

However, the two articles contradict each other over which final (UCL or UEL) affects which of those two teams. In other words, Liverpool/Spurs winning Champions League and Chelsea winning Europa League will advance RB Salzburg and the 3rd team in France (probably Lyon) - but it's not clear which result will advance which team.

So, I guess I'm rooting for Chelsea, just to be safe.

Come On, You Pensioners!! (I think that's right)

 

I love that the guy who was the definition of an MLS lifer has gone on to do some of the most interesting frontiers in American soccer.

Nothing will ever top him giving Beckham as "welcome to the league" kick to the stomach while only receiving a yellow, but managing in the Champions League will easily come a close second.

 

Got a link to that?

 

I'd never seen this clip of Marsch with Chivas USA back in day nailing Beckham in the stomach with a boot. Love it.

Also, if you're not reading @ProSoccerUSAcom you should be. https://t.co/LqUu46X2Ag pic.twitter.com/8gmLOtjJO8

— Bill Reese (@ReeseCommaBill) March 23, 2018

 

Jesse Marsch named one of the top 20 coaches of the decade by the IFFHS (not a pro-US voting body).
A reminder that not only our player pool is building; but our coaching fraternity is too.

Jesse Marsch was named in the IFFHS Top 20 club head coaches list of the 2011-20 decade. #USMNT https://t.co/PtNDFmK1W2

— SBI Soccer (@SBISoccer) January 13, 2021

 

of 2020 maybe, but of recent decade?

 

I'm sure there's a formula.

But he managed an expansion Impact to 11th out of 19 MLS teams. He had four years in NY; win the Shield twice, finished 1st in his conference a third time.

Went to Salzburg and while it was bumpy, won the league and did well in UCL.

From an anti-playoffs perspective, he's won 3 league titles in 6 years of head coaching. And he's never had a bad year.

 

That might be a top 30 manager. I'd like to see the reasoning from those experts.

 

To be clear, I have no good idea to rate managers. I mean, personnel is so important and is so inequitably distributed in many leagues, the best managers may not be the winningest. And even more likely, the best manager for a talented team may not be the best manager for an untalented one.

Marsch is good. No idea how you actually rank them.

 

Unless they are using some advanced metrics or opinions of respected experts I have no idea how a manager of the biggest Austrian team gets ranked that high no matter how well he does in a couple of years there. Hard to believe MLS played any part.

 

I'm reading the description of how they selected these names, and I think I've figured out what's going on here but it's a little silly.

https://www.iffhs.de/posts/894

Essentially they went through their year end rankings from the past 10 years. Anyone who finished first in one of those would receive 20 points. 2nd would get 19 points. And so on until 20th would get 1 point. They did this for all 10 years and then added up each manager's point total.

So Marsch ended up with 22 points because he was tied for 3rd in 2020 (worth 18 points) and 17th in 2019 (worth 4 points). However, Marsch's 3rd place finish in 2020 was tied with a handful of other managers with only 5 votes, while the top 2 picks Hansi Flick and Jurgen Klopp dominated the voting with roughly 400 votes between them. Yet, Marsch was credited with 18 points for his 5 votes that year while Klopp was credited with 19 points for his 125 votes. (Klopp got 20 points the year before with 369 votes.)

Additionally, sometimes only a handful of managers were credited with points in a year if a few managers thoroughly dominated in the voting. In other years, 20 different managers were credited with points if votes were more spread out.

The upshot of all of this is that Marsch ended in the top 20 of a best managers of the decade list while only getting 6 votes combined in the entire decade.

 

Borussia Mönchengladbach are considering Jesse Marsch and Florian Kohfeldt as a potential replacement for Marco Rose this summer. [Sport Bild] pic.twitter.com/h2TcYKuZx0

— USMNT Only (@usmntonly) February 3, 2021

 

Hmmm, I don't know.

 

Um ... do they think Bremen is well coached?

 

The first half of this equation came to pass.........................

Marco Rose is set to become the next Borussia Dortmund head coach ... and Jesse Marsch is a candidate to be his replacement at Borussia Monchengladbach 👀 pic.twitter.com/zTSKTk72ga

— USMNT Only (@usmntonly) February 15, 2021

 

Of course you did.

And well done.

 

Neil Lennon is out at Celtic. While I personally think Marsch can do better in the form of a Bundesliga side (perhaps Monchengladbach??) or even a Premier League side like Crystal Palace should Hodgson move on after this season (I believe his contract is expiring without any imminent talk of an extension), It wouldn't be surprising to me to hear Marsch's name come up in the names of replacements.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55130253

 

For me, Salzburg to Celtic is a downward move in 2021. There's no real reason to do that.