Jermaine Jones rips into Jordan Morris for his decision to stay in MLS

Before you move on, could you address my post about Yedlin?

You mentioned something about playing in the EPL as a signifier of his talent...

 

Are you sure? We Dutch just had the anti aging pill on test, so ..how long do you want to stick around
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4342958/The-anti-ageing-compound.html

 

If living that long is like this, no thank you!

 

There's a false understanding that having good/better/excellent crop of players pop up means you're going to challenge for a title. It's not true. The reason why certain countries have a disproportionally impact in tournements is because these countries approach tournements always the same, as winners, even if the players are soso in that given timespan. The psycho in tournements is as important as the quality of the players.

 

Not a very good counter arument (if it is ment that way) as the Dutch league in those days were home to the two best teams in the world and 2 others were among the top 20. In other words the league was the best in the world at that time.

"'14, with squads leaning more to non-domestically based."
According to my counting this isnot correct.

 

A lot of your guys need to make a break for Europe. Preferably mid-tier or better. If that's Belgium or Netherlands, go for it.

 

One of the problems with exporting players is that they get typecasted.

Take the case of Argentina in the 00s: every big team in Europe wanted Argentine attackers. Strikers, second strikers, wide forwards, wingers, attacking mids. Wherever you looked, you found big teams with them.

So, by the time the qualifiers came, Argentina had 10 world-class attacking players, but not enough defensive ones.

One of the unintended consequences of becoming a young player farm is that there's no balance in the players developed, because it's enough for a couple to break through in a given position, for the whole program to be expected to produce more players just like them.

Thanks to Friedel & Keller, we got "typecasted" as a country that produced good keepers. Reason why Howard and later Guzan got the gig. Truth is, Howard never got the same level of fan appreciation as the other two, and Guzan basically rode the wave.

That's also been the case with African teams: in Europe, they always go, "African players are fast as heck," so you have a plethora of African wingers and wingbacks, and a healthy dose of strikers. But they've lacked top class men at the center of the team, until recently.

American players have seldom made a case as attacking players. So there's a lot of skepticism about Made in the USA attackers. They get a very short rope, and have to enter making little money. In that sense, Pulisic, like McBride back in the day, can open up the market for more American attacking talent.

It's not easy though. The stereotype associated with us is as rather sturdy, high-stamina blokes who can push you off the ball. You rarely see an American praised over his creativity or brains, or for his ability breaking defenses and placing a ball in the net.

 

I guess Tata doesn't have a clue either.

“It’s important that this league has grown a lot and continues to grow, but it’s important to incentivize the very best players to someday play in Europe because that’s where the best competition is,” he said.

 

Scouts and clubs look at talent and either rate it or they don't. BVB went to a youth tourney to look at Haji, an attacker, and came away more impressed with Pulisic, another attacker. Brad Friedel had nothing to do with how BVB rated Pulisic, nor how Schalke rate Haji, McKennie Taitague, or how Werder rates Sargent, just as Friedel has nothing to do with Hamid going to Denmark out of MLS instead of Liverpool out of MLS as he once did.

These clubs like our youth, they're just trying to get them before our system ruins them. By 21/22 our players are massively behind. So their intention is to erase the problem, groom them as teens and hopefully you have a top 4 league player on your hands.

 

And they start becoming behind much earlier than 21/22.

 

If by 17 you can't trap a ball after a long-distance pass, chances are no one abroad is going to be interested in you.

 

It is a good counter-argument because the latter Dutch teams were far less domestically based yet still made the semis.

 

No one disagrees that the very best players should play at the highest levels.

 

I disagree, cause the players that went abroad for the Orange teams in the 90ies were the finished products, not players that needed to go abroad to mature as players.

 

You would really benefit from reading the paper and report. Here it is again:

For anyone interested in objective data analytics about the importance of getting our players playing at the highest level:

Key quote: “An increase of one or two players on a national team joining an elite club can lead to substantial improvement in national team play that can change the world ranking of the team by several spots.”

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/...ccer-stars-and-fertility-as-old-age-security/

from this paper:

http://www.nber.org/papers/w20478

This study investigates the professional soccer industry to ask whether the talent of an individual's co-workers helps explain differences in the rate of human capital accumulation on the job. Data tracking national soccer team performance and the professional leagues their members play for are particularly well suited for developing convincing non-experimental evidence about these kinds of peer effects. The empirical results consistently show that performance improves more after an individual has been a member of an elite team than when he has been a member of lower level teams. The conclusion is borne out by a rich set of complementary data on: national team performance, player-level performance, performance of foreign players who joined elite teams after an exogenous shift in the number of foreign players participating on top club teams, performance of players on national teams in the year just before and the year just after they join an elite club team, and experiences of several national team players obtained through personal interviews.

 

wasnt he there only a short time?

 

But if we don't have the system to produce talent of the caliber necessary to succeed in good teams in Europe, wouldn't it be better to keep them playing in MLS rather than sitting with the reserves across the pond, or playing in some crappy second division?

At this point, pressuring our kids to go to Europe is putting the cart before the horse. We've been doing it for over a decade and the end result is that we don't even have enough quality players to go to the WC. All we're doing is, for the most part, setting them up to fail.

Change the development system here first, otherwise we're going to have 20 Rubio Rubins or Brek Sheas for every Geoff Cameron. And 100 for each Pulisic.

All we're doing is applying a band-aid solution to a bullet to the heart. We send kids there, people get all hopeful about the next batch, and forget the main issue is changing things here NOW.

Meh, I'm wasting my time.

 

Here is what I am suggesting: domestic vs abroad is not so fundamental in National Team performance. That is what the numerous examples suggest.

 

Why does that matter?

 

England and Belgium have invested heavily in those fundamental changes. They could the reap benefits this summer.

 

what i meant was he didn't have much of an effect. and i was only curious if he had mentioned more of his time there.

 

What does his experience from 20 years ago have to do with today?

 

To summerize: It's not a good idea to use the Dutch as examples to prove a point about performing in World/Euro Cups, as we are outliers compared to other nations. When we had the best league and the best players playing in our league we made WC finals. When we fell back as a league, it was because our best players went abroad and we should have gotten in the finals of the 90ies, but at least we won the EURO 88. When our league was going into the direction of a minimouse league, with a few, very few top players abroad and more or less good players, but not great ones from our own league we still managed to get into a final and a cat's whisker away from the second time 2 finals in a row in the 2nd millenium.
It's our nature, either we suck, (even despite stars studded selections like in 2002) and donot show up at all or we come and give everybody the shivers.

 

You can listen to his comments here:
http://www.espnfc.us/video/espn-fc-tv/86/video/3235680/mcbride-us-players-must-go-to-europe

 

The particulars of the Dutch experience aren't important in that I have used plenty of other examples, which also have unique particulars. The aggregate is what matters.

As a separate matter, the Netherlands, even with a now middle ranking league, they still made Semis. Their 2014 team had a sizable 10 domestically based players.