Jeremy Toljan at US Sassuolo Calcio

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Scotty, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
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  2. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why are we still keeping track of this kid, he is not coming our way. Period.
     
  3. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ireland Republic
    Because he's a US citizen (or can claim citizenship) who is playing overseas??? :rolleyes:

    He's not the first (Darren Randolph, Giuseppe Rossi, Neven Subotic) to be kept track of here & he won't be the last.

    Whether he should be the last is another matter, but that means changing BS' YA criteria and I'm not sure you want to start that shitstorm .
     
  4. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    #379 BostonRed, Oct 18, 2015
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    The 5th post in what became the "Gedion Zelalem at Arsenal" thread:

    So the chance of this guy ever representing the US is nil........

    You are probably right about him never representing the US, but, if somebody wants to talk about him, what does it matter?
     
  5. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

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  6. smithfan

    smithfan Member+

    Aug 14, 2005
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    Germany
    Another assist for Germany's U21 in their Euro Qualifying game vs Azerbaijan.
     
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  7. Scotty

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  8. smithfan

    smithfan Member+

    Aug 14, 2005
    Waimoana
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    Borussia Dortmund
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    Germany
    Da der gemeinsame US-amerikanische Vater schon vor Jeremys Geburt starb, haben die Geschwister eine sehr starke Bindung zu ihrer kroatischen Mutter. Zusammen verbrachten sie in der Jugend viele Ferien im ebenfalls fußballbegeisterten Land. Obwohl er beide Pässe besitzt, fühlt sich Jeremy aber als Deutscher: "Da muss ich momentan natürlich noch kleine Brötchen backen und mich erst einmal bei der TSG durchsetzen. Aber jeder Fußballer hat natürlich das Ziel, irgendwann in der Nationalmannschaft zu spielen. Ich spiele seit der U17 für Deutschland und noch nie darüber nachgedacht, für Kroatien aufzulaufen."

    http://www.achtzehn99.de/aktuelles/ueberblick/jeremy-toljan-fortschritt-durch-rueckschritt/

    "Since his American father died before Jeremy's birth, the siblings have a strong bond to their Croatian mother. They spend many holidays in the equally football-crazy country. Although he holds both passports, Jeremy feels German: "I have to remain modest and first assert myself in Hoffenheim. But every footballer has the dream of playing for the National Team one day. I'm playing for Germany since the U17, and I've never thought about playing for Crotia."
     
  9. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     

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  10. mike4066

    mike4066 Member+

    Jun 30, 2007
    Chula Vista, CA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A chance for Croatia yes.....USA..no :'(
     
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  11. bigt8917

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    May 10, 2015
    Toljan seems to be saying all the right things. The anti-Green.
     
  12. Dough Boy

    Dough Boy Member

    Sep 27, 2014
    Toljan is on the bench for TSG Hoffenheim for their game vs. Schalke.
     
  13. Scotty

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  14. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

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    Vigorous discussion is constantly deadened by the heavy handed moderators on this site, so interest in discussion is not enough around these parts.
     
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  15. BostonRed

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    Oct 9, 2011
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  16. Sizmik

    Sizmik Member+

    Dec 21, 2011
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    United States
    solid team
     
  17. hokeydokey

    hokeydokey Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    I don't see why the thought of him playing for the US is so pessimistic. I'm not saying it should necessarily be optimistic but until these dual nats are set in another NT the discussion should hold merit. This is not taking into account the individual players' desires, both current and future, as I know neither, but just in a more general sense of these things.

    Looking at Jermaine Jones and FabJo, who both had very similar international trajectories with Germany, who were both above average players YNT they made their switches far later than the point Toljan is at now after they ultimately never really made the cut as tried and true NT members for Germany. I'm not inclined enough to actual check and wasn't really around when both of them were Toljan's age but I could imagine the discussions would have been very similar to this one on whether either of them would someday play for the US.

    Just looking at the squad announced today for their friendlies against Italy and England, Low has brought in only one new face, highly touted CB Jonthan Tah and even left out some major names as well. It's only a few months until Euros so that's not entirely unexpected but the fact remains that Germany will always have lots of top, top talent fighting for limited spots.

    The slew of talent above him in line with the NT at both fullack positions is daunting (Schmelzer, Durm, Hector, Ginter, Rudy) as well as the fact there's plenty of guys in the youth ranks both at his level and below that could easily prove the better fully developed players.

    Basically just trying to say just because he's making consistent moves up the German ladder and has shown no desire as of now to play doesn't mean it's a already a done deal. Much less likely things have happened and plus, reiterating @BostonRed, what's the harm in kicking around relevant updates and occasional assessments? Situations change, people change, etc, etc.
     
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  18. BostonRed

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    United States
    I do think he is more of a long-shot though, because (1) he has Croatian eligibility, (2) he's never bothered to get a US passport and that will take some work, (3) his connection to the country is through his dad who died a long time ago, and (4) he seemed indifferent to the US NT when Brian interviewed him.

    The Croatian factor is why I think he will never play for the US and that's different from the other two players. He's got a very solid safety school and he can only change allegiances once.
     
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  19. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is he still US-eligible if he gets provisionally cap-tied without a US passport?
     
  20. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
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    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is how I feel too

    American fans should follow him if they feel so inclined

    But as a prospective USMNT player? I wouldn't get my hopes up. He seemed really indifferent to it. And that's fine
     
  21. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
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    United States
    Not possessing a passport while eligible for one is different than not being a citizen. FIFA has generally considered anyone eligible because of birthplace or heritage to be a holder of that citizenship at birth, regardless of whether the person actually has gone through the process of obtaining the passport. They treat it differently than a player who naturalizes after birth.

    Citizenship (by blood or soil) is immutable (generally). The passport is simply the document that confirms it.

    So not possessing the actual passport doesn't prevent him from a future one-time switch to that country.
     
  22. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is one glaring difference between FabJo/Jones and Toljan...With FabJo/Jones we didn't make a play for them in the early years. With Toljan, we have. I would rather have in my squad someone that at the very least have some inclination to play for America because he wants to rather than play because that is his last resort.
     
  23. hokeydokey

    hokeydokey Member

    Oct 21, 2015
    But if we had made moves for FabJo or Jones at 18-20 they both probably would've said no
     
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  24. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
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    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he will eventually switch national teams, but to Croatia.
     
  25. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think they would have been politely string us along for a while. With Toljan, I don't even see that.
     

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