Jens Cajuste at Stade de Reims (France)

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  1. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    His transfermarkt value is of no interest for FCM ... they are in no need of money and would never even consider to negotiate a transfer of one of their top talents unless you have at least €4 million to spend ... btw right now they are demanding €12 million for Paul Onuachu who is only worth €6 million according to transfermarkt :

    https://www.transfermarkt.com/paul-onuachu/profil/spieler/272855
     
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  2. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're going to have to get used to it. As expensive as he might be, the only chance he has for the USMNT is for him to come to the USA for two years. So that is essentially what this thread will speculate about until he plays for Sweden.

    FYI, I was told he impressed U.S. U-20 scouts who really rated him. They wanted him involved and felt he would have been a big player the last U-20 cycle. It was a bummer when they realized he wasn't eligible.
     
  3. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Toronto FC would screw it up for everyone.
     
  4. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    If you go to the transfermarkt page and look at all the FCM transfers :
    https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-midtjylland/alletransfers/verein/865

    ... then you will notice that they usually send 10-15 players out on loan. The reason for this is, that they are not a club from a big city, so they are not able to get big sponsors. instead they earn money by picking up much more talent than they need, just to send them out on loan until they are sold. In this way they earn lots of money. Unfortunately for the USMNT, Jens Cajuste has become an instant success for FCM, so a loan deal do not really seem plausible and a sale will be unthinkable, unless MLS will be interested in paying around $5 million (or perhaps more) for him.. and the question is if he would even be interested in moving to MLS, considering that there is a very good chance that FCM are going to sell him to a top-5 league club within the next two years.
     
  5. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #55 Ceres, Aug 10, 2019
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    Btw, is it always MLS paying the transfer fee ?, or do the clubs also chip in from time to time ? and would the FA be able to have a say in this matter, if they think it would be worth spending $5 million on a Cajuste move to MLS ?

    I think it would be doubtful that Cajuste would be interested in a move to MLS, considering that FCM are experts at doing transfers and so he is bound for a move to one of the top leagues, but considering that he is also Swedish, I think it would be possible to persuaded him, if it was to the LA Galaxy, if Zlatan was to give him a call.

    In Denmark and Scandinavia players are not as much impressed or convinced by a large pay check, bonus, bigger club or what have you, when they are about to make a move, but more about their own role and future at the club and the personal recommendations they get from other players (or former players) from the club in question they trust or hold in high esteem, so obviously Cajuste would seek personal advise from Zlatan and perhaps also Jørgen Skjelvik if he was offered a contract by LA Galaxy.

    This is also why you most often will see highly talented young Icelandic, Swedes, Norwegians and also players from Finland moving to specific clubs in Denmark, not for the money, but on recommendations from other present or former players they hold in high esteem from their own country, especially NT players from the club in question, So if you want a Cajuste move to MLS you would probably need around $5 million for the transfer fee and not least a high profile Swedish NT player to personally recommend the move...
     
  6. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jens went a full 90 in another win. 2-0 on he road at Horsens
     
  7. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An ASN interview with Jens Cajuste going over his background in China, his breakthrough at Midtjylland, and the FIFA rule which would prevent him from being able to play for the United States unless he returns and lives here for 2 years
     
  8. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like that ain’t happening.
     
  9. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So he's an American citizen but ineligible? That's some BS.
     
  10. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blame Qatar.
     
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  11. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    Sounds strange, yes, especially considering all the exceptions and exemptions FIFA often seem to hand out in Europe ... it seem more important which country and league you play in and no so much where you were actually born or where your parents came from, like Zeca who is of Portuguese ancestry only and was born in Portugal, but became a Greek citizen while playing for Panathinaikos and then earned his first cap for Greece shortly before moving to Denmark and FC København :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeca_(footballer,_born_1988)
     
  12. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a different rule, though. That's the "must live 5 years after 18 in new country when getting naturalized" rule. This is a more basic rule for dual nationals.
     
  13. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #63 bshredder, Aug 12, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
    The intent of this rule is because some countries are very loose with citizenship and others are tight.

    The rule is aimed to halt players and countries from taking advantage of laws which allow foreign-born citizenship to carry on forever, automatically from generation to generation - despite the fact a family left the country many generations ago.

    FIFA doesn't want a player to be able to play for Country X just because he's a citizen of Country X and his citizenship derrives from the fact that his great, great, great, great, great grandfather is from there.

    That is why FIFA wants that in addition to citizenship, either the dual-national player, his parents, or grandparents have to have been born in the country he elects to represent OR the player has to have lived in the country he elects to represent for 2 straight years.

    The rule isn't unreasonable but it wasn't designed to stop a guy like Cajueste from representing the United States. He has a lot of family here. His father naturalized at a young age and has business here. Culturally, Cajuste is very American. He speaks "American" English with no hint of a foreign accent. He visits here every occassion he gets. He is not a U.S. citizen whithout ties to the U.S.
     
  14. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Does he have any recourse besides playing in the US for two years?

    Has this rule been tested previously with FIFA? Have others tried to appeal it?

    Has anyone considered a legal challenge, which I imagine is the last thing FIFA would want? I'm not a lawyer but this definitely feels like a restraint of trade.
     
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  15. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    #65 Ceres, Aug 12, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
    Well, personally I find it unreasonable that a player who is half something is no able to pick pick and choose to play for either country, while a player who has no ancestry or heritage at all is able to play for a country that in reality has no part in his/her ancestry, but is approved just because he/she has agreed to a change of NT affiliation by just playing in a league for only 2 years ... and mind you, I'm neither a republican or a democrat and think that both are quite terrible, run by big business and billionaires and do not represent the average Joe at all.. I believe in the power of the people and not in the power of a rich elite or big business ...but I do believe in clubs doing their business and making a profit with no interference from some supposed higher authority.... unlike in the MLS, which seem a bit "communist" to me ...on the other hand I believe in free health care, free higher education and fully paid maternity leave, because it is to the benefit and happiness of of all, both high and low ..
     
  16. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's possible FIFA might be willing to waive the requirement, but I haven't heard of any cases like it. The other waivers they grant are for players who don't meet the "5 years after turning 18" rule when naturalizing. Those are usually players brought to a country as kids and their parents naturalize. The players want to play in YNT competitions, but the rule didn't make an exception for them. So FIFA grants a lot of waivers for these types of players.

    They might not be that sympathetic considering he has at least 2 countries besides the US (Haiti & Sweden) where he would be eligible for selection.
     
  17. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I doubt it would work but if Cajuste wanted to challenge the rule, it would have to be on intent of the rule. The rule was to prevent players from representing a country where they have been detached from for many generations.

    The process of naturlization in the US takes a lot of time and requires a long period of residency. So in that regard, his father was very attached to the USA during this process - and still is with his business. So Cajueste and the USA is not a case of multigenerational detachment as the rule is designed to prevent.
     
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  18. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Which would seem like the basis of a potential appeal.
     
  19. BostonRed

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  20. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    FCM are being highly criticized in the media for not taking the Europa League games against Rangers seriously ... first of all they have kept team Captain Jakob Poulsen out of the squad (who then now demand to leave the club), just like key defender Marc Dal Hende (who is supposed to be sold and move abroad) and their biggest sales object in this transfer window, striker Paul Onuachu who they have put on sale for aorund €10-12 million ... and due to the negotiations going on with several clubs, they do not want to field him, to kep him from getting injured.

    They are also being criticized for promoting their own youth Academy coach to head coach, because he has no experience at this level and is more interested in developing own youth at the expense of making results in Europe.
     
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  21. BostonRed

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    United States
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  22. Ceres

    Ceres Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    Aarhus, Denmark
    Club:
    AGF Aarhus
    Nat'l Team:
    Denmark
    FCM head coach Kenneth Andersen has quit his job after their terrible Europa League performance against Rangers and the 1-1 home result against Hobro ... FCM have promoted their Assistant manager Brian Priske to Caretaker manager until they are able to find new head coach.

    https://www.transfermarkt.com/brian-priske/profil/trainer/19874
     
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    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
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