Jamaica 1998 vs Trinidad and Tobago in 2006

Discussion in 'Caribbean' started by MoRado, Jan 7, 2006.

  1. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    what do you guys think? Jamaica's squad in 1998 was very strong.... I think stronger than this T&T's team

    what do you say Warlord?

    Can someone name some 1998 Jamaican players.... Lowe... sinclair... who else?
     
  2. Warlord

    Warlord New Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    District of Columbia
    Well I will say right now, I think my Reggaeboyz was stronger but I will wait to see how Trinidad & Tobago performs in Germany before I can really compare both teams.

    They both play different styles so it should be interesting to see what my other team does in Germany.

    A few players that played in Jamaica's WC team in 1998 were:

    Peter Cargill
    Theodore Whitmore
    Deon Burton
    Marcus Gayle
    Frank St Claire
    Robbie Earle
    Onandi Lowe
    Christopher Dawes
    Cornel ChinSue

    there are some more, but the names escape me at this present time.
     
  3. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    1 GK Warren Barrett 09 Jul 1970 Violet Kickers
    2 MD Stephen Malcolm 02 May 1970 Seba United
    3 MD Christopher Dawes 31 May 1974 LA Galaxy (USA)
    4 DF Linval Dixon 14 Sep 1971 Hazard United
    5 DF Ian Goodison 21 Nov 1972 Olympic Gardens
    6 MD Fitzroy Simpson 26 Feb 1970 Portsmouth (ENG)
    7 MD Peter Cargill 03 Feb 1964 Harbour View
    8 FW Marcus Gayle 27 Sep 1970 Wimbledon (ENG)
    9 MD Andrew Williams 23 Sep 1977 Real Mona
    10 MD Walter Boyd 01 Jan 1972 Arnett Gardens
    11 MD Theodore Whitmore 08 May 1972 Seba United
    12 DF Dean Sewell 13 Apr 1972 Constant Spring
    13 GK Aaron Lawrence 08 Nov 1970 Reno
    14 GK Donovan Ricketts 07 Jun 1977 FC Waddadah
    15 DF Ricardo Gardener 25 Sep 1978 Harbour View
    16 MD Robbie Earle 27 Jan 1965 Wimbledon (ENG)
    17 FW Onandi Lowe 12 Feb 1973 Harbour View
    18 FW Deon Burton 25 Oct 1976 Derby County (ENG)
    19 DF Frank Sinclair 03 Dec 1971 Chelsea (ENG)
    20 MD Darryl Powell 15 Nov 1971 Derby County (ENG)
    21 DF Durrent Brown 08 Jul 1964 FC Waddadah
    22 FW Paul Hall 03 Jul 1972 Portsmouth (ENG)
     
  4. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    There are several parallels to be draw between the two teams. They both qualified a year when CONCACAF had a slot extension (from 2 to 3 in 1998 and 3 to 3.5 in 2002. They both came from Caribbean islands with relatively small player pools and both teams changed substantially between the beginning of the competition and the final hex.

    We can compare their results:
    Here's Jamaica's

    31.Mar 96 Paramaribo Surinam 0-1 Jamaica
    21.Apr 96 Kingston Jamaica 1-0 Surinam

    23.Jun 96 Bridgetown Barbados 0-1 Jamaica
    30.Jun 96 Kingstown Jamaica 2-0 Barbados

    15.Sep 96 Kingston Jamaica 3-0 Honduras
    15.Sep 96 Kingstown St Vincent 0-3 Mexico
    21.Sep 96 San Pedro Sula Honduras 2-1 Mexico
    23.Sep 96 Kingstown St Vincent 1-2 Jamaica
    13.Oct 96 Kingstown St Vincent 1-4 Honduras
    16.Oct 96 Mexico City Mexico 2-1 Jamaica
    27.Oct 96 Tegucigalpa Honduras 0-0 Jamaica

    30.Oct 96 Mexico City Mexico 5-1 St Vincent
    06.Nov 96 Mexico City Mexico 3-1 Honduras
    10.Nov 96 Kingston Jamaica 5-0 St Vincent
    17.Nov 96 Kingston Jamaica 1-0 Mexico

    17.Nov 96 San Pedro Sula Honduras 11-3 St Vincent

    P W D L Gls Pts
    1.Jamaica 6 4 1 1 12- 3 13
    2.Mexico 6 4 0 2 14- 6 12
    -----------------------------------
    3.Honduras 6 3 1 2 18-11 10
    4.Saint Vincent 6 0 0 6 6-30 0

    02.Mar 97 Mexico City Mexico 4-0 Canada
    02.Mar 97 Kingston Jamaica 0-0 USA
    16.Mar 97 Palo Alto USA 3-0 Canada
    16.Mar 97 San José Costa Rica 0-0 Mexico
    23.Mar 97 San José Costa Rica 3-2 USA
    06.Apr 97 Vancouver Canada 0-0 El Salvador
    13.Apr 97 Mexico City Mexico 6-0 Jamaica
    20.Apr 97 Foxboro USA 2-2 Mexico
    27.Apr 97 Vancouver Canada 0-0 Jamaica
    04.May 97 San Salvador El Salvador 2-1 Costa Rica
    11.May 97 San José Costa Rica 3-1 Jamaica
    18.May 97 Kingston Jamaica 1-0 El Salvador
    01.Jun 97 Edmonton Canada 1-0 Costa Rica
    08.Jun 97 San Salvador El Salvador 0-1 Mexico
    29.Jun 97 San Salvador El Salvador 1-1 USA
    10.Aug 97 San José Costa Rica 0-0 El Salvador
    07.Sep 97 Portland USA 1-0 Costa Rica
    07.Sep 97 Kingston Jamaica 1-0 Canada
    14.Sep 97 Kingston Jamaica 1-0 Costa Rica

    14.Sep 97 San Salvador El Salvador 4-1 Canada
    03.Oct 97 Washington USA 1-1 Jamaica
    05.Oct 97 Mexico City Mexico 5-0 El Salvador
    12.Oct 97 Edmonton Canada 2-2 Mexico
    02.Nov 97 Mexico City Mexico 0-0 USA
    09.Nov 97 Vancouver Canada 0-3 USA
    09.Nov 97 San Salvador El Salvador 2-2 Jamaica
    09.Nov 97 Mexico City Mexico 3-3 Costa Rica
    16.Nov 97 Kingston Jamaica 0-0 Mexico
    16.Nov 97 San José Costa Rica 3-1 Canada
    16.Nov 97 Foxboro USA 4-2 El Salvador


    P W D L Gls Pts
    1.Mexico 10 4 6 0 23- 7 18
    2.USA 10 4 5 1 17- 9 17
    3.Jamaica 10 3 5 2 7-12 14
    ----------------------------------------
    4.Costa Rica 10 3 3 4 13-12 12
    5.El Salvador 10 2 4 4 11-16 10
    6.Canada 10 1 3 6 5-20 6
     
  5. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Trinidad's:

    13.06-04 Santo Domingo DOMINICAN REP. 0-2 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
    20.06-04 Marabella TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 4-0 DOMINICAN REP.

    group 3
    18.08-04 Kingstown ST.VINCENT & GREN. 0-2 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
    04.09-04 Basseterre ST.KITTS & NEVIS 1-2 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
    08.09-04 Port of Spain TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 1-3 MEXICO

    10.09-04 Kingstown ST.VINCENT & GREN. 1-0 ST.KITTS & NEVIS
    06.10-04 Pachuca MEXICO 7-0 ST.VINCENT & GREN.
    10.10-04 Kingstown ST.VINCENT & GREN. 0-1 MEXICO
    10.10-04 Marabella TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 5-1 ST.KITTS & NEVIS
    13.10-04 Puebla MEXICO 3-0 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
    13.10-04 Basseterre ST.KITTS & NEVIS 0-3 ST.VINCENT & GREN.
    13.11-04 Miami (USA) ST.KITTS & NEVIS 0-5 MEXICO
    17.11-04 Monterrey MEXICO 8-0 ST.KITTS & NEVIS
    17.11-04 Port of Spain TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 2-1 ST.VINCENT & GREN.

    Hex
    09.02-05 San Jose COSTA RICA 1-2 MEXICO
    09.02-05 Port of Spain TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 1-2 UNITED STATES
    09.02-05 Panama City PANAMA 0-0 GUATEMALA
    26.03-05 Guatemala City GUATEMALA 5-1 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
    26.03-05 San Jose COSTA RICA 2-1 PANAMA
    27.03-05 Mexico City MEXICO 2-1 UNITED STATES
    30.03-05 Panama City PANAMA 1-1 MEXICO
    30.03-05 Birmingham, AL UNITED STATES 2-0 GUATEMALA
    30.03-05 Port of Spain TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 0-0 COSTA RICA
    04.06-05 Port of Spain TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 2-0 PANAMA

    04.06-05 Salt Lake City UNITED STATES 3-0 COSTA RICA
    04.06-05 Guatemala City GUATEMALA 0-2 MEXICO
    08.06-05 San Jose COSTA RICA 3-2 GUATEMALA
    08.06-05 Panama City PANAMA 0-3 UNITED STATES
    08.06-05 Monterrey MEXICO 2-0 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
    17.08-05 Mexico City MEXICO 2-0 COSTA RICA
    17.08-05 Hartford UNITED STATES 1-0 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
    17.08-05 Guatemala City GUATEMALA 2-1 PANAMA
    03.09-05 Panama City PANAMA 1-3 COSTA RICA
    03.09-05 Port of Spain TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 3-2 GUATEMALA
    03.09-05 Columbus UNITED STATES 2-0 MEXICO
    07.09-05 San Jose COSTA RICA 2-0 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
    07.09-05 Mexico City MEXICO 5-0 PANAMA
    07.09-05 Guatemala City GUATEMALA 0-0 UNITED STATES
    08.10-05 San Jose COSTA RICA 3-0 UNITED STATES
    08.10-05 San Luis MEXICO 5-2 GUATEMALA
    08.10-05 Panama City PANAMA 0-1 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
    12.10-05 Foxboro UNITED STATES 2-0 PANAMA
    12.10-05 Port-of-Spain TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 2-1 MEXICO
    12.10-05 Guatemala City GUATEMALA 3-1 COSTA RICA

    P W D L Gls Pts
    1.United States 10 7 1 2 16- 6 22
    2.Mexico 10 7 1 2 22- 9 22
    3.Costa Rica 10 5 1 4 15-14 16
    ----------------------------------------
    4.Trinidad/Tobago 10 4 1 5 10-15 13
    ----------------------------------------
    5.Guatemala 10 3 2 5 16-18 11
    6.Panama 10 0 2 8 4-21 2

    12.11-05 Port of Spain TRINIDAD/TOBAGO 1-1 BAHRAIN
    16.11-05 Manama BAHRAIN 0-1 TRINIDAD/TOBAGO
     
  6. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    TT vs US = 1-3 (1-2, 1-0) 0pts
    TT vs Mex = 2-3 (2-1, 0-2) 3pts
    TT vs CR = 0-2 (0-0, 0-2) 1 pts
    TT vs Guat = 4-7 (3-2, 1-5) 3 pts
    TT vs Pan = 3-0 (2-0, 1-0) 6 pts
    FIFA ranking december 2004 (just before start of hex)
    Mex 7 USA 11 Costa Rica 27 TT 63 Guat 71 Pan 100
    eliminated in semis (Jamaica 49 Honduras 59, Canada 90)

    Jam vs Mex = 0-6 (0-0, 0-6) 1 pts
    Jam vs US = 1-1 (0-0, 1-1) 2 pts
    Jam vs CR = 2-3 (1-0, 1-3) 3 pts
    Jam vs El Sal = 3-2 (1-0, 2-2) 4 pts
    Jam vs Can = 1-0 (1-0, 0-0) 4 pts

    FIFA ranking february 1997 (just before start of hex)
    Mex 11 USA 22 Jam 30 Canada 48 Costa Rica 66 El Salvador 74
    eliminated in semis (TT 42, Honduras 46, Canada 48, Cuba 71)

    Trinidad won its last match, at home against an already qualified Mexico team. Jamaica won its last match against an already qualified Mexico.
     
  7. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Semi final groups 98 (Sep 96)
    US (18), CR(73), Guat(113), TT (34)
    Can (78), El Sal (72) Pan(105), Cuba (57)
    Jam (38),Mex (13), Hon (43), StV (87)

    TT played horribly below their level and Guatemala were a bit unlucky seeing that they gained seven of a possible nine points playing in the states (twice) and el salvador for their home games
    Canada's group was essentially a very mediocre one and its no surprise that both of its qualifiers finished 5th and 6th in the hex.
    On the last day Jamaica needed a point from an already qualified Mexico to avoid being overtaken by a Honduras team needing to beat StV by a goal margin of 6+ goals or so (while hoping for a Mexico win.) Jamaica won 1-0

    Semi final groups 06 (Sep 96)
    US (10), Pan (103), El Sal (106), Jam (54)
    CR (28), Guat (79), Hon (59), Can (96)
    Mex (8), TT (67), StV (151), StK (112)
    Jamaica, usually strong at home, took only 2 points from 3 home matches, giving the second spot to an overachieving Panama. (this is a team Trinidad beat 5-0 on aggregate in 2002)
    Even if Canada had been given those two 'wins' against Honduras, the table going into the last day would have been Guat 10 CR 9 Can 6 Hon 5, with Hon-CR and Guat- Can. Can would have needed a Honduras (already eliminated) victory to proceed. Seeing that they couldn't score against CR when they acually had a chance to progress, I'm still not buying it.
    TT's group was maybe, a joke, but not more than jam's...

    Of course Trinidad 06 had one test that Jamaica 98 didn't, the meeting with a completely unknown team from outside the region.
     
  8. Warlord

    Warlord New Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    District of Columbia
    Midknight,

    Good assessment of both teams. I think the information you provided gives a clear picture of how difficult it was for both teams to qualify for a WC. Surely I would love to see both qualify for South Africa in 2010. Maybe we could displace one of the top three teams in the region.:cool:
     
  9. DCatracho17

    DCatracho17 Member

    Jan 12, 2006
    Chicago,USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Honduras
    USA And Mexico are almost guaranteed for 2010 unless they have a string of bad luck or injury plague, Costa Rca is the more likely candidate to be displace since right now they have aging players going to the world cup. There isnt very much Youth talent in Costa Rica, but we have to see in this upcoming years if they can produce a youth that can replace Wanchope as the Talisman.
     
  10. Warlord

    Warlord New Member

    Jun 8, 2005
    District of Columbia
    While it may be difficult to displace the likes of the US and Mexico, it is still possible. My Jamaica has a lot of skillful young players coming through and Trinidad & Tobago has quite a few good young players coming up also. We already know that Panama will be better next time around but it would definitely be interesting to see what Guate, CRC, Canada and Honduras have by the next hex.:)
     
  11. scarshins

    scarshins Member

    Jun 13, 2000
    fcva
    Jamaica 1998 was better.
    The qualifying in 98, even more in 02, was difficult. I thought it would be a steady progression, but several teams failed badly this time and the Hex was not as strong/difficult as 98 and 02.
     
  12. Desert_Eagle

    Desert_Eagle Member

    Oct 29, 2005
    U.S.A
    i think jamaica because trinidad & tobago used the .5 to get in while jamaica used the third ticket to go in directly.
     
  13. Renegade

    Renegade New Member

    Oct 20, 2000
    VA
    In terms of 2010, I believe that T&T has finally figured it out. Local business is getting involved in the sponsorship, and payment for national team players. This is evident in the marketing of the trademarked Soca Warrior apparel and memorabilia. This is beyond the authentic team jersey and the flag. I think that this is the begining of wide spread local sponsorship for football. Think of football fever like carnival fever, and you can see the potential. For one of the smallest countries in the world T&T has managed to organize one of the most profitable carnivals in the world, and it is mostly driven by local investment.

    Part of the apparel and memorabilia funds go to TTFF and will be instrumental in the development of the younger players. I foresee more friendlies for the under 17 teams etc. T&T has always produced world class footballers, but never the quantity to compete with the likes of Mexico and Costa Rica. I believe that local business has finally realized the magnitude of world cup football, and as a result you will see more competitive teams from T&T because there will be more dollars in the development of players, and therfore a deeper team. Other than the USA and Canada, T&T has the strongest economy in CONCACAF and should be able to put more dollars into the development of players.
     

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