Is there Media Bias against Soccer in the US

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  1. midfielder467

    midfielder467 Member

    Jul 20, 2014
    Club:
    Central Coast Mariners
    From Australia and I googled the top 10 US newspapers and they are shown below.

    Of the ten papers shown, the Wall Street Journal & am New York had no dedicated sports tab.

    Of the eight remaining papers only The New York Times, carried a Soccer tab in their sports sections and in the other seven papers I had to search to find articles on MLS and soccer generally.

    I have rarely seen such bias, and can only imagine how this must impact on things like TV ratings and general acceptance of soccer within the broader community.

    My limited understanding is soccer today has the greatest player participation of sports in the US.

    Is the electronic media just as bias.

    I was in the US back in April in Orlando on business and went to two sporting events. A Basketball game I think the last of the season and Orland V LA Galaxy. The media coverage at least electronic media I was exposed to gave huge coverage to the Basketball match, and little coverage to the Soccer match.

    Am I missing something or does the MLS and US soccer generally have difficulty getting reasonable and balanced media coverage.



    1. USA Today – 2,301,917

    2. The New York Times – 2,101,611

    3. The Wall Street Journal – 1,337,376

    4. Los Angeles Times – 467,309

    5. New York Post – 424,721

    6. Chicago Tribune – 384,962

    7. The Washington Post – 356,768

    8. Newsday – 321,296

    9. Daily News – 299,538

    10. am New York – 298,759
     
  2. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I doubt soccer has the largest player participation because in addition to being the most popular sports, American football requires by far the most players per team. The newspaper you listed include nationwide papers and four cities, so keep in mind that most Americans are not in those cities. The Wall Street Journal is not where people would look for sports in general. http://nypost.com/sports/ lists the Red Bulls and NYCFC in the Hometown Teams section, while ignoring the WNBA's Liberty (women's basketball). Newsday, which is my local newspaper, doesn't care about soccer much. The sports on TV listings exclude Spanish channels even when they show games in the USA, so when the Red Bulls or NYCFC play on Unimas only, the games aren't listed. Soccer is popular in some places. The Seattle Times website has sections for the Sounders and for the Reign of the NWSL (women's soccer).
     
  3. mitch9881

    mitch9881 Member

    Feb 26, 2003
    Hoboken, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In short, the answer to your question is YES.
     
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  4. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    On BS and I'm all like:
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Yes, American media is biased against soccer and against MLS. The media is beset by many other biases, as well, and is largely incapable of self-reflection.
     
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  6. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I would say it's less a media bias against soccer as those entities merely desire to appease their reading audience. However, the average reader is likely ambivalent to, or biased against, soccer.
     
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  7. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    No, it's real, unfeigned malice for MLS and its fans.

    For example, after Mark Purdy of the then San Jose Mercury News (the paper has since dropped the geographic descriptor) wrote a column a decade ago bemoaning the recent drought of Bay Area pro sports championships (before the recent spate of SF Giants and Golden State Warriors titles), I emailed him and pointed out that he had ignored the 2001 and 2003 MLS Cup titles won by the San Jose Earthquakes. Purdy replied in an email, not shared with the general "reading audience" to whom he was obviously not pandering, that the Quakes' titles were unworthy of mention, being the equivalent of those of the Archbishop Mitty high school girls basketball team.

    Purdy followed up his naked bias, and mean-spiritedness, by deriding me, an ordinary reader, for another email exchange in a later published column. The problem for Purdy was that he materially misquoted my email in doing so, the evidence of his fake news being electronically preserved, as I pointed out to him while copying his sports editor and publisher. Fearful for his job, Purdy frantically left me voicemails asking to have coffee, while the sports editor buried a retraction in a subsequent edition and allowed the douchebag to keep his job.
     
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  8. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There certainly are plenty of these jackasses here and there, but they are getting fewer all the time. This is not just a result of writers in their 60s retiring. It's also a result of writers in their 30s and 40s getting the soccer bug.

    25 years ago, a lot of newspaper writers (it seemed to be particularly the columnists who sat back and pontificated rather than the people who covered the games) were writing about how Americans should protect themselves from the hordes of club-swinging soccer fans who were going to invade our shores for the 1994 World Cup. That sort of blatant bashing used to be common. It isn't any more.

    Yes, there is "real, unfeigned malice" among some people in the newspaper business, but it's incorrect to imply that this is a general condition covering the entire media. It's no longer the soccer fans in the media who are the exception to the rule. It's the haters who are the exception.
     
  9. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    That may be true, but the structural legacy of past prejudice remains. At the Mercury News, for example, not only are Mark Purdy and the soccer-disdaining sports editor (Bud Geracie) still employed, but the Quakes' beat writer, Elliott Almond, who is an experienced and highly-professional and soccer-loving journalist, has explained several times to interested fans that the number and placement of Quakes stories, which he has sought to improve, is adversely influenced by the low number of clicks received for those which are reported. Of course, most Quakes fans get their team news from social media rather than the Mercury News because they have been conditioned to expect crumbs, along with outright insults (after Beckham's MLS debut in 2007 one Mercury News writer bragged, "I didn't watch and neither did you"), so it is backwards to blame the customers for the subpar and even at times offensive product.

    More troubling still, the subservience to clicks is contrary to the journalistic ethos. News is not defined by what derives the most clicks. As I mentioned above, some self-reflection is in order for the profession, which seems incapable of it.
     
  10. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sports news is a slightly different animal than the rest of the newspaper. The sports section is more about covering what the readers are interested in, whereas the news section is more about telling the readers what they ought to be interested in. I'm not saying this is the way it ought to be, but it is the way it is. Sports coverage is very much dictated by the readers.

    What you say about Elliott Almond is a good example of something that happens elsewhere, too. I know someone in at an East Coast paper who used to write great stuff about soccer 20 years ago, but who gave up because he was tired of fighting with editors for space. He'd rather write about stuff that is an easier sell to editors.

    It's getting better. It's not as bad as it used to be. However, I'm not expecting it to be as good as I'd like it to be next week.

    One thing that doesn't help is that the financial difficulties newspapers currently are in have a big effect on sports department travel budgets. I had an exchange of emails yesterday with a reporter friend who covered the famous US-Trinidad game in Trinidad in 1989. I said, jokingly, that he ought to get them to send him down there for the Oct. 10 game. His reply was "only if I can drive there." This is a guy who in the past has covered soccer games in France, Colombia, Korea and Australia. Very few American newspapers send reporters to places like that any more.
     
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  11. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Seattle Times' beat writer for the Sounders was laid off a month after they won MLS Cup. Newspapers are having trouble funding writers dedicated to a single team outside the Bigs.
     
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  12. Kappa74

    Kappa74 Member+

    Feb 2, 2010
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    http://archive.seattleweekly.com/news/949417-129/gastineau-sounders-soccer-sports-says-talk

    If the new business realities of sports talk in Seattle helped make Gastineau’s decision easy, the amplified pressure for ratings in a suddenly crowded market, and an industry-wide trend to push NFL-dominated content, only solidified it. These days, judging by the ratings, what listeners want is not soccer. It’s football—and as much of it as humanly possible.

    “We never talk soccer on the air,” says Grosby of his KIRO show. “Our ratings haven’t been hurt by it. . . . I don’t think soccer fans are your traditional sports-radio listener.”

    Likewise, KJR station manager Rich Moore presents a programming plan devoid of the Beautiful Game, despite the approaching MLS playoffs. “We go fast. We’re playing the hits. Right now we’re talking Seahawks, Seahawks, Seahawks, and Husky football.”

    It’s not a development Gastineau finds appealing. “More and more competition has led to [more NFL talk],” says Gastineau. “The NFL is just a monster. It’s a behemoth. . . . I hear the guys at KIRO 710 have been told by ESPN in Bristol to talk NFL 50 percent of the show, 365 days a year. . . . I can’t do that. I’m not going to make up stuff to talk about.”
     
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  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    In not in an MLS market, but in my area a shock jock is the only sports media who acknowledges soccer, and even then he mostly talks about Liverpool. Last U.S. story he mentioned was the firing of Klinsmann.
     
  14. midfielder467

    midfielder467 Member

    Jul 20, 2014
    Club:
    Central Coast Mariners
    In an article by Paul Longhurst [3/8/2016] a chart shows if you combine indoor and outdoor soccer it is the biggest participation sport in the US.

    Indoor 2, 172, Outdoor 7, 857 totalling 9, 828 with Basketball second at 9, 694.
    http://www.engagesports.com/blog/post/1488/youth-sports-participation-statistics-and-trends

    With such a large player base, I do wonder aloud why the media is so bias.

    Seems to me those in control of the media are scared of soccer and wanta keep soccer in its place.

    But I am seeing this from afar and three trips to the US over 20 years and I could be very wrong.

    I recall a conversation in New York in April this year at a cafe, when I got talking to some locals about sport and these guys maybe 5 or 6, started to tell me how soccer was a girls game and so on. So I asked them why they kept talking about it, and they said because it was a shit game.

    I asked again why then waste their time talking about it, by this time the guys I had started the conversation with who were soccer fans, were telling me this is the way it is over here.

    Anywho the guys telling me it was a girls game and was shit.... I asked again why do you keep talking about it unless your scared it will take over .... laughter followed ... and I finished the conversation with a saying we have in Australia after a cutting article written about 12 years ago and it left them dumb founded.

    I said """ You can Smell The Fear""" you know it coming and you don't want it.

    I left the cafe as I had a business appointment, but the guys arguing against soccer seems actually upset that the status que could be challenged.... but as I keep saying its hard to form opinions over the net during 14 weeks spread over 3 separate business visits.

    Thanks for replies so far.
     
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  15. 4four4

    4four4 Member+

    Nov 13, 2013
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    Currently, there maybe a bias but it's slowly changing into a soccer nation. Next year if the USMNT makes the World Cup local MN radio stations will be discussing the American matches.
     
  16. Master O

    Master O Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If the US doesn't make the World Cup, any coverage the MNT gets will disappear into a black hole of irrelevance.
     
  17. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The World Cup occurs every four years. MLS is in season nine months of every year. Local papers should to give their local pro teams equitable coverage on a regular, ongoing basis.
     
  18. 4four4

    4four4 Member+

    Nov 13, 2013
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    Sadly, I am in agreement.
     
  19. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #19 CeltTexan, Sep 12, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2017
    To the OP, the most dominant sport on our planet has a difficult time getting solid coverage in newspapers here in the most dominant nation on our planet. It is changing over the years but it remains what it is.

    Several years back Time Magazine, irrc, ran an in depth article on Messi. Time Magazine apparently has 4 regional publications around the globe. One for Asia, one for Africa, one for Europe/Latin Americas and one for specifically the United States. Each one of those first three issues had Messi's face on the cover of their issue and were obviously going long with Messi and his global appeal. The U.S. (perhaps Canada included with us) issue had some topic on climate change on it's cover. I would bet that Time's thinking is, Messi on cover, sales soar, except in the U.S.. For in the U.S. is where even such a global icon like Messi, his image does little to move their magazine off shelves. So when talking media bias, even Time Magazine looks at the U.S. as the lone culture where soccer legends go unnoticed. Thus, there is the "why bother" reaction and instead of introducing American readers to Leonel Messi, Time's staff pull Messi from their front cover.
     
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  20. scott47a

    scott47a Member+

    Seattle Sounders FC; Arsenal FC
    Feb 6, 2007
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a guy who worked in newspapers for 20 years I will say that there is definite bias against soccer coverage in most sports sections and personally from most sports editors and writers I know. I worked in the Seattle area and even there the sports editor was like "soccer is stupid. no one cares" despite the obvious on-the-ground proof to the contrary.

    That said, I think it doesn't matter much. Newspapers are increasingly irrelevant in US society. I don't know anyone who subscribes to a newspaper anymore. I don't know anyone who relies on their sports results and/or coverage from a newspaper anymore.

    If this thread was about television coverage I think we'd be having a more important discussion. TV remains the biggest gorilla in sports - though one has to think that eventually it will suffer the same way newspapers have at the hands of Facebook, Google, and the Internet.
     
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  21. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    If there's bias against soccer, there are obviously other biases in the media, a fact which matters a great deal. The increasing irrelevance of the media is partly because the general public has caught on to the problem and chooses to discount sources of information previously presumed credible.
     
  22. midfielder467

    midfielder467 Member

    Jul 20, 2014
    Club:
    Central Coast Mariners
    No its about media in general, coming from Australia I can view your newspapers but TV not really..... on my three times in the US TV coverage has been between non existent on little and often what was reported was negative.

    Just seems from the outside you have an en-grained traditional sports editors who !#@$%???? no idea but the coverage...

    That story about Time and Messy was amazing .... yet in spite of all this its now the most played .... similar problem to us converting the players to watchers...
     
  23. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can look at websites for American channels that show soccer to see how much they care about soccer compared to other sports:

    http://www.espn.com/ (and http://www.espnfc.us/ just for soccer) (has two English channels that show many games, ESPNU which shows college sports and has shown U-17 and/or U-20 FIFA tournaments, ESPNews which rarely shows games, and ESPN Deportes in Spanish; has some United States men's and women's games, MLS, some UEFA WCQs, and some UEFA Champions League some of which is only shown online)

    http://www.beinsports.com/us/ (one English channel and one Spanish channel; has La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1, some CONCACAF WCQs, CONMEBOL WCQs, and CAF WCQs)

    http://www.foxsports.com/ (two easier-to-get English channels, one Spanish channel, and a la carte Fox Soccer Plus; has MLS, UEFA Champions League, Europa League, Bundesliga, some CONCACAF WCQs, CONCACAF Gold Cup, some UEFA WCQs including England's home games, English FA Cup, Scottish Premier League, and FIFA tournaments)

    http://www.nbcsports.com/ (has one cable channel, occasional soccer on broadcast NBC, and two Spanish channels that are mostly not sports; has English Premier League, used to have MLS)

    http://www.univision.com/ (at least four Spanish channels that show soccer, includes Liga MX, MLS, some CONCACAF WCQs, some UEFA WCQs, and CONCACAF Champions League)

    That is not a complete list.
     
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  24. Coyote89

    Coyote89 Member

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 18, 2017
    You're not missing anything. MLS has been doing well with ticket sales, but TV ratings are still not where they need to be and the sport is badly neglected when it comes to TV news, local papers, sports talk radio, etc. Even sports highlight shows on ESPN tend to overlook MLS, unless there is a spectacular goal that makes their top 10 highlights. They give more coverage to the WNBA than they do MLS. That needs to change for the sport to truly catch-on.
     
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  25. midfielder467

    midfielder467 Member

    Jul 20, 2014
    Club:
    Central Coast Mariners
    EvanJ

    I looked at those sports links and gotta say Football [soccer] was a very poor cousin.

    I find it amazing how you can have the most players have such a high average game crowd, growing to 28 teams and struggle with traditional media.

    Its as if Football does not exist, as I said in the title of the thread it seems like bias by those sitting in editorial decision making positions.

    I have no idea how to solve except to say maybe working outside existing accepted norms could help .... i.e. develop a long term plan to establish the metrics required to create P & R.

    However I am too far away to comment in a meaningful way.
     

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