PBP: International Friendly: USA vs Mexico; September 6th

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Sebsasour, Sep 6, 2019.

  1. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    We do play soccer. The rest of the world plays football, a game that requires a certain degree of thinking not just by the coach, but also by the players.

    We play the aptly name soccer because it's all about socking the ball somewhere, and running there. Since we're big, strong and fast, that works fine against teams below the Top 40 or so.
     
  2. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Neither my post or the post I was responding to was about Adams, so not sure where you're coming from.
     
  3. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Guy to watch: Rafael Wicky (U17's)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphaël_Wicky
     
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  4. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is a problem with what you say. You responded to my post. And my post was certainly about Adams. You may have meant to respond to somebody else's post, or you may have assumed my post was about Brooks for whatever reason you have, but it was not about Brooks. It was about the timing of Adams' "injuries" relative to play for club and for when Gregg "You are a RB!" Berhalter calls upon him.
     
  5. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member

    Oct 14, 2007
    I don’t buy the idea that American coaches necessarily suck because they are American, or that the only decent players necessarily play overseas. One of the things that some fans and the guys on ESPN round table show don’t do well is walk the line between honest critical analysis and nation-based bias. Hate the mistakes the coach, the federation or the players make. When that morphs into some sort of vague or broad disrespect or disdain for American soccer/football, that becomes part of the problem. I think JK harbored a little bit of this behind his pleasant demeanor.
     
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  6. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    See post #741. You quoted me in what was an exchange about Brooks.

    If you want to talk about Adams, try not randomly interjecting in an exchange about another player.
     
  7. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We need a dedicated Dmid, to stay back and then 1 box to box with one ball carrier if we are going to a 3 man midfield. We need to let the wingers stay wide, dribbling inside only makes it easier to mark our best players out of the game.
     
  8. Jak Blak

    Jak Blak New Member

    Oct 12, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    USMNT needs a coach who played and coached on a South American team. USMNT pool guys need to play in Europe or go get on a team in Colombia, Brazil, Argentina,, Chile, Uruguay. Live the life and learn how to play ball with grit. Can they cut it in those leagues?
     
  9. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    It has nothing to do with being or not being American. It has to do with being the best, or at least among the best. Alabama does not restrict their coaching choices to guys from Birmingham. The Yankees don't hire managers only from the 5 boroughs... Ford doesn't restrict it's CEO search to Michigan. The point isn't that American coaches "necessarily suck" it's that a guy who has only coached in MLS and the scandi leagues is very, very, very unlikely to be the smartest, most effective coach a team can get.

    There are any number of coaches out there who have actually won games against top international teams. Some more than once. Some a lot. Will hiring them guarantee that the US will beat top international teams? Of course not. But as a general rule a guy who has done it before, especially when coaching a team that has not done it before, will have a better chance of helping make it happen.

    Beerholder or Kreis or Wolff could turn out to be the next Pep... but it's a much longer shot than say, Pekermann helping the US develop an efficient style that might catch some teams unaware. (And Pekermann should have been hired 3 cycles ago - if we could have pried him lose... but I digress.
     
  10. Golden_

    Golden_ Member

    Nov 23, 2015
    Club:
    Pachuca CF
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    No way, if you can't see Mexico is clearly superior then it is no wonder you guys missed the world cup. Berhalter wasn't the coach when you crashed out but surprise, you still lost to Mexico. I know transfermarkt isn't perfect but there is a reason the Mexican national team is worth nearly double the US.
     
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  11. gogorath

    gogorath Member

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I don't think it makes Berhalter immune from criticism, but the talent gap is large, gets massive once you get past a perfectly healthy starting XI and is much more experienced.

    Our second most talented player on the pitch today also made a stupid error for the second goal. McKennie may have as much mayoral talent as Hector Herrera, for example, but he's not outperforming at that level in these games yet.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pretty sure an internet poster is not why we missed the World Cup.
     
  13. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    #863 Excellency, Sep 7, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2019
    A post so good it should be longer:)

    https://sbisoccer.com/2019/09/u-s-u...nds-for-second-win-at-four-nations-tournament

    Wicky has his u17's in the running for first place.

    @feyenoordsoccerfan what's happening with your u17's? To me it looks like going USA route is better at that level. You can always switch back to Orange.

    I think our problem at senior level is that we get fixated on where players play whereas at youth level we look at merit. For example, nobody can move McKennie out of his spot because he plays for Schalke and no further proof of merit is required. Your thoughts.
     
  14. :D
    Yeah. Checked, but no USA duals in there;)
    Checked the USA u17 too, nope no USA/Dutch duals there either to report to van de Looi:p
     
  15. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I look forward to McKennie's first term in Frisco City Hall.
     
  16. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
  17. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The soccer gods decided to show Mexico how it feels to be the USA....Argentina 3, Mexico 0 at minute 32.
     
  18. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except Mexico < Argentina on any day of the week.
     
  19. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    SJ Earthquakes/Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Pleasanton, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    An excellent day for me. Skipped the US dreck, watching Mexico get reamed. Ideally, the US would play attractive soccer, but alas...
     
  20. zhe fulano

    zhe fulano Member

    Orlando City
    United States
    Jan 31, 2010
    Florida Keys, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Argentina just handed Mexico a sound 4-0 trouncing. It was over by half-time. This is the same Mexico that handed us our ass 3-0. Ironically, Berhalter then puts together a team that puts up a very respectable 1-1 draw against Uruguay, the #5 ranked team in the world. Admittedly, Uruguay did not play their complete "A" team. Neither did we, and they played plenty of their starting players.

    Berhalter is still experimenting. That said, I feel pretty confident that he's tipping his hat a bit. From what we've seen so far, I predict we'll see Ream as our starting left center back; Bradley as a central defensive midfielder playing between the back line and the midfield (or at the bottom of the diamond in a 4-4-2); and a probable starting midfield of Arriola, Pulisic, McKinnie and Adams. Everything else is still up for grabs. Much will depend on what players he sees showing good chemistry together in pushing the ball forward and also falling back to support the defensive effort. He's still trying to figure out those relationships.

    My suspicion is that Berhalter knows he has cart blanche to experiment up to a certain point. 2nd place in the Gold Cup did not hurt his standing at all. He'll continue to experiment from now until the eve of the World Cup qualifiers.
     
  21. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Add Altidore.

    If Berhalter has the players' buy in then nothing else matters.
     

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