PBP: International Friendly: USA vs Mexico; September 6th

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Sebsasour, Sep 6, 2019.

  1. Jujonola

    Jujonola New Member

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Jun 5, 2019
    Houston
    Candidates for next US manager:
    Listing managers that have experience in national team level

    1. Jose Pekerman
    2. Juan Carlos Osorio
    3. Javier Aguirre
    4. Jorge Sampaoli
    Now other managers:
    1. OSCAR PAREJA
    2. MATIAS ALMEYDA
    3. TAB RAMOS
    4.(your choice)
    In my opinion I'm only listing latino coaches because that's the only way to go hahaha. Real Talk
     
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  2. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    when you live in your own world and don't open your eyes - you become blind to the obvious.
     
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  3. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    actually I learned something new from this board this game ...

    "exsanguinate" ....
     
  4. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pekerman, Pareja, or Ramos - absolutely I would be happy with any of those three ....we could have approached Tata but no because he does not speak English that was not going to work. Ernie - hey Ernie - aren't you bilingual?
     
  5. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member

    Oct 14, 2007
    I too thought Dest wasn’t bad and showed promise, given the circumstances. But who would want to play for a coach forcing you to play stupid? The defenders looked like “you really want me to make THIS pass? Ok, here goes ...”
     
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  6. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    unfortunately not having Tyler Adams in the midfield next to Wes is killing us.

    edited - notwithstanding that GGG is killing us more.
     
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  7. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    That doesn't solve the biggest problem tho - no "creative playmaker/#10/ACM" call it what you will. We almost never moved the ball through the attacking 3rd middle cause we had no one there that could receive, turn, draw attention, and make a pass. It's a huge problem.

    Morales/Trapp/Wes does not have enough playmaking ability. CP is wide and always double teamed. Boyd isn't really that kind of player either.

    We had this issue a bit when LD and Demps were both wide - but for all the stick Reyna used to get he's twice the ball-carrier that Wes, Trapp or Morales is.

    Even Bradley is (was, realistically).

    The passing out of the back died at midfield as there was no one to receive, turn and burn. We always ran out of bodies.
     
  8. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    Mar 17, 2007
    Colorado (formerly northern Virginia)
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree ... but Adams and Wes are so athletic that they help to make up for the deficit that is Trapp .... kind of like Kante for Chelsea is like having two midfielders (a freak of nature) ... Adams is kind of like having one and a half players. Trapp is half a player.
     
  9. nyjimmy

    nyjimmy Member

    Jul 14, 2008
    When is Adams’s gonna be healthy? I see nothing in the Yanks Abroad section. He didn’t have surgery right?
     
  10. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    Who do you consider to be the top 6?
     
  11. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Adams plays regularly for his team, and is regularly "injured" when Gregg calls to say "Hey, how's my RB doin"? It's just one of those things Fortuna spins.....:coffee:
     
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  12. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    I agree. If we are going to be a team that can pass through a press, a friendly is the time to try it. In a competitive game we can always say, its not working this time, so boot it long. The complete lack of offense was my biggest concern; that is not nearly as easily fixed as making a different choice on how to advance the ball from the back.
     
  13. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    You picked Wes. Wes. Remember Tedesco? He tried Wes at ACM, striker, DM, RM, LM and CB and eventually, just put him somewhere all americans end up, RB.

    Why? Because he was hoping to make him a better attacking passer. The guy who really made Schalke04 go was Goretzka. That kid was fantastic as a low lying midfield, triggering the attack. Or playing further up the pitch to conduct the half court offense.

    Where is Goretzka in the US camp? Nowhere. Pomykal people are hoping will get there, but he missed his chance 5 years ago by not starting down the CP path. Yueill, sorry, not in the same class as a bundesliga sub. Maybe one of the latin guys under Tab has a shot but 1. not under the current US soccer regime for racial/cultural reasons and 2. latin players can't fit into the US system because we don't play soccer. We play systems that stress a theater resembling soccer.

    Adams, the only guy on this team capable of playing as a professional CM with passing ability has been made a f**cking right back.

    That little piece of stupidity is literally all you need to know about coach, gm, and ussoccer and player positions.
     
  14. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brazil
    Argentina
    England
    France
    Germany
    Spain
    ——-
    I should say top 12 really
    Italy
    Portugal
    Colombia
    Netherlands
    Belgium
    Croatia
    ——
    I’d still give an advantage or say we’re about even with talent-wise...
    Mexico
    Russia
    Japan
    South Korea
    Nigeria
    Chile
    Uruguay
    Paraguay
    Venezuela
    Ghana
    Ivory Coast
    Senegal
    Sweden
    Denmark
    Peru
    Norway
    Switzerland
    Poland
    Serbia

    Performance-wise though, I’d say right now, we’re about on par with Jamaica, New Zealand, Finland, South Africa, and Bolivia. And that’s being generous.
     
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  15. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    Fair enough. Though having watched Chile-Argentina on Thursday night, I can safely say our players are not close to the current Chileans. I would probably move Uruguay up also, Suarez, Cavani, Godin. Lodiero, who crushes it in MLS, did not even make their 2018 WC roster. If American, Lodiero would be a lock starter for us. So I would say top 14. But still, good list and I mostly agree, giving my limited knowledge of the current players in many of the teams in that third group.
     
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  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is a stupid post. Geez.
     
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  17. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Behind.

    An ideal midfield has Adams as a lone 6 with McKennie and ???? ahead of him.
     
  18. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    I don't think he would not take the call up, but I definitely think the longer he plays RB, the less motivated he is to make the trips. Dest was played as LB. Next time he might play LB again or maybe LM, or maybe RM or RW. Wes might play LM or ACM. It seems to really depend on who is available from MLS at the time of selection. Danny Williams said as much several years ago: it feels as if the USMNT is pushing the MLS more and more.

    If he is saying it publicly, then it is being said in the dressing room. no one is immune to obvious injustice and the us squad reflects this injustice. Poor form, poor soccer, poor results.
     
  19. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't get it. Are you implying Brooks flew over and participated in training only to fake an injury at the last minute because he suddenly remembered he doesn't like Berhalter? That seems unlikely.
     
  20. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Gonna need you to show your work by telling me when Adams last played for Leipzig. They've played 4 competitive matches this season, starting August 11. Has he played in any of them? Or in any of their preseason friendlies?
     
  21. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    I doubt the US will ever hire a latin coach not born in New Jersey.

    I would personally hire Arsene Wenger and give him eeearnie's job, cordeiro's job and both beerholders . Organized, loyal, excellent manager. He can hire and delegate across the board.
     
  22. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The thing is, look at our potential Olympic squad, and honestly I think we are a legitimate quarter-finalist, maybe semi-finalist, squad if we take the tournament seriously. All of our best players, minus Steffen, Yedlin, Morales, and Brooks are all u23.
     
  23. dna77054

    dna77054 Member+

    Jun 28, 2003
    houston
    Olympics could be very interesting. IIRC, clubs do NOT have to release players for the Olympics, so that could be an issue for many teams. I read somewhere that some South American teams (who have their qualifying early next year) may only be taking domestic players this time, which would certainly help our cause. Japan (the host) sent a U-22 to the recent Copa American and they played very well.
     
  24. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bulgaria just gave up a goal to England remarkably similar to the nonsense we tried to pull. They must be coached by a relative of Berhalter's.
     
  25. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Adams = Brooks? Who knew? So the answer to your question is "No"......:coffee:
     

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