[International Friendly] Korea vs Bosnia Herzegovina 2018/06/01 [R]

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  1. nmssis

    nmssis Member+

    May 21, 2011
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    nope, that was Korea's best 5
     
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  2. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I also mentioned it a couple pages back as well. I find it funny that Nishino is also trying to tinker with 3ATB when Japan has traditionally always been better with a 4 back system instead. Even Zaccheroni used it a few times when he was in charge, but learned to drop it when it mattered, Japan never looked good with 3ATB.
     
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  3. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Exactly, I don't know what the fkc got into them? But skip it, please. Both of them.

    Ki is too important and good to be used as a cb. Same with Hasebe.
     
  4. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
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  5. skimmilk

    skimmilk Member+

    Apr 22, 2010
    Texas, USA
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    We struggled with Ki as a sweeper vs Russia too. We don't have enough quality elsewhere to handcuff one of our best players
     
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  6. melonbarmonster

    melonbarmonster Member+

    Mar 17, 2005
    #256 melonbarmonster, Jun 1, 2018
    Last edited: Jun 1, 2018
    This.

    KMW was supposed to rove up the field but it wasn't effective. He can't cross. KMW exposed our left exposed and BOsnians were swing passes into that space for Visca to pick up with ridiculous space. It was painful watching the confusion of who's covering who with Bosnians slicing through our butterball defense over and over again especially in second half. KNT can't keep up the high press and the mistakes from KMW forcing entire team to switch to cover open acres of open space on field against half decent opposition. That's a pipe dream. Contrastingly, Lee Yong on the right was effective and was able to hold the ball, pass, and move the ball up the field and put in cross, etc, which gives space and time for midfield and defense to coagulate space in defense. Yes coagulation is our defensive strategy. Everyone including SHM run like hell and close up space and throw bodies at the ball.

    I know Son HM is getting some flak here but that bc he was trying to run the field from defense, midfield, and offense while getting his ankles clipped all game. He's overextending himself out of sheer frustration bc how terrible we were in midfield and defense. Son is best when he has space and freedom to be effective in offense. He's being used as PSJ style defensive midfield on top of his star striker duties. He was literally our best player on pitch by far but he can't make up for giant holes we have. You can tell that the Bosnian players knew this. They were showing Son respect on field and post game.

    STY doesn't know what he's doing. Throwing in Moon and Lee at the end and then throwing in KSW just shows you how tactically oblivious STY is. The reason he did that is not bc he had some plan in mind or was testing out ideas. He was throwing in the kitchen sink to get a goal so he doesn't look like an idiot before flying to Europe. All he was doing is testing out players until now. He's going to stitch together game plan in Europe with mix of what he saw from Honduras and Bosnia games, test it out against Uruguay and then try out best tactics and squad in secret against Senegal.

    Sweden are tight, organized and score goals. It's not looking good. Mexico is going to slice us up. Everyone better get emotionally ready for game against Germany. There's good chance that they'll run up the score board for the history books.

     
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  7. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Both Shin and Ni'shin'o have obsessions about playing possession football, when the resources they have are cr*p for that. Japan has ditched Halilhodzic for playing a 'boring' but much more efficient counter-attacking game, and they have some great players to fit in with this philosophy, like Yuya Kubo and Shoya Nakajima (who's been on fire this season), and surprise-surprise, both weren't picked for the WC. Same goes to us. We have to accept that our resources are cr*p. So, again, play counter-attacking football and players like Suk and Son can create goals out of nothing. I don't think it's a surprise that Suk doesn't get picked given how Shin dislikes this kind of tactics.

    I hope the two teams share the same hotel. Then Shin and Nishino can talk all night along about how they have an amazing philosophy, but blame the players for their shortcomings.
     
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  8. nmssis

    nmssis Member+

    May 21, 2011
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    He's like our Bellarabi
     
  9. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    Honestly, we really don't know. It's because we have a retard at the helm managing this squad. He seems to not know what our starting XI should be as well right now other than having this irrational desire to use a 3-4-1-2 with players that can't execute the system.

    GK - I think who you saw today (KSG) will start.
    CBs - due to injuries, we honestly don't know who his preferred pairing is b/c he kept constantly changing the CBs in the past two matches.
    FBs - we also don't know b/c this is a completely different pairing than in the past 4 matches.

    The only guaranteed starters that you saw today was Ki SY, Son HM, Hwang HC and Lee Jaesung.
     
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  10. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    I think at this stage, it can be classified as a paraphilia for Shin.
     
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  11. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    I think that KJC will be fine in a 4-1-4-1. But tonight, in a 3-4-1-2, he was having a very difficult time as he needed to cover for LY when LY made his attacking runs. KJC is another player who struggles in a 3-4-3 type system.
     
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  12. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    No. He was sh*t. @Hodori already explained why, so quoting him.

    He benefited from the fact that up front he was facing the debutant Eldar Civic, but the problem is that he's not a forward or a winger but a wing-back. Both the 1st and the 3rd goal came from him being caught flat-footed. He was and will always be a useless WB.
     
  13. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    Ok ok i see, thanks for answer!
    I think you have a chance against us.
    That match against Colombia, Damn i was really impressed!
     
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  14. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    It's quite sad that Shin Tae-yong hasn't learned anything from the Colombia and Serbia friendlies, he has some serious dementia for obsessing over the 3ATB and forgetting how well we played against them. Granted, we had the likes of Lee Keun-ho, Yeom Ki-hun, Lee Chang-min, we still managed to play a high pressing, fast paced counter-attacking game off a 4-4-2 formation, and this was even without Kim Min-jae and Kwon Chang-hoon as well.
     
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  15. melonbarmonster

    melonbarmonster Member+

    Mar 17, 2005
  16. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    The idiot is back to blaming the players yet again, and he can never drop the habit of doing it through the media as well, as they say old habits die hard. Fcuker was the one that deployed those two in a fcuking 3 back system and blames them when he himself failed to utilize the formation and players :rolleyes:. Last ditch option my ass, just admit it that you have a fetish over the 3 back system.
     
  17. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    The way I saw it, if we sacrifice KJC (or LCY or JSJ) to cover for LY, then LY will have a decent match like tonight where he did relatively well in the first half. LY will run willingly into space on attack and whip in a cross.

    And LY popped up in the box a few times with decent blocks, unlike KMW. But it's really at the expense of a midfielder who has to work so hard to track back that the midfielder becomes too tired to do anything with the ball as we saw with KJC tonight.

    At the very least, we saw LY functional in a 3 back system whereas KMW just can't do it at all. But overall, it showed another reason why we can't play 3 at the back b/c two players had to do LY's job whereas a good RWB is expected to just deal with both functions.
     
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  18. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    You can forget about us playing the way we did against Colombia. Our manager must have received a large stash of the Colombian baby powder after that match. He's forgotten every valuable lesson that we learned from that match.
     
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  19. HansWorldCup

    HansWorldCup Member

    Roma
    Sweden
    Jan 10, 2018
    Hahaha
     
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  20. wrecklesssoldier

    Feb 20, 2005
    It was more like Bosnia’s best XXII
     
  21. melonbarmonster

    melonbarmonster Member+

    Mar 17, 2005
    I don't recall exactly on whether KMW or Lee Yong were the bigger tools that led to Visca's fantastic goals but STY's game plan was to use both of these guys for attack on wings for roaming up the field and to have OBS and YYS cover the flanks. I didn't think we were good on the right side but there was a giant hole in our defensive left that was exploited over and over again.

     
  22. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    This. This is why only a few teams regularly play 3 at the back, because you need a very very specialised wing back, who fits all the requirements. Otherwise, basically Lee Yong is just a winger under a different name smh.
     
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  23. zdrstvte

    zdrstvte Member+

    Aug 27, 2012
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Right, if you were saying that in comparison to the left flank, my bad. But overall, I think Lee Yong showed exactly why he was not capable of being a WB.
     
  24. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    It's difficult to read his comments and not be left angry. How are the CBs supposed to play like fullbacks and cover that space when KSY is in the middle and struggling in that position?

    And that article states that KSY held his own? WTF? KSY was trying his best, but they were going straight through him with an attacker making incisive runs right behind his shoulder. So what else did STY expect other than the CBs to cover for the more deadly space opening up straight down the middle?

    Fck STY. At least with UliShit, we had a translator to filter his shit excuses.
     
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  25. Seol Korea

    Seol Korea Member+

    Jun 24, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Exactly.
     
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