[International Friendly] Korea vs Australia 2018/11/17 [R]

Discussion in 'Korea' started by Seol Korea, Nov 15, 2018.

  1. 10August2012

    10August2012 Member+

    Oct 28, 2012
    Melbourne
    Club:
    Sunnanå SK Skellefteå
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Haha, tbh wouldn't live anywhere outside of Melbourne other than Syd possibly.

    Hope we see some changes next match bc today was underwhelming. We won't have SHM for the first few matches so we need someone to fill in that left wing.
     
  2. batumchange2

    batumchange2 Member+

    South Korea
    May 6, 2015
    korea is a brilliantly coached team. australia was underwhelming
     
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  3. wrecklesssoldier

    Feb 20, 2005
    lol
     
  4. ChaDuRi671

    ChaDuRi671 Member+

    Dec 30, 2010
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    idk how that goal was allowed. There was a foul right before that play. Also, there was interference in the box as well.

    Not a bad result considering that this was essentially our B team.
     
  5. Reach24

    Reach24 Member

    South Korea FC
    South Korea
    May 2, 2012
    Korea Republic
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    What do you expect. It's a Japanese AFC referee. LUL
     
  6. toohyper

    toohyper Member+

    Mar 23, 2004
    MI/NJ/NY
    Club:
    Gwangju FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Away match in Australia, B team with couple of unproven youngsters. All in all, solid result
     
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  7. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    My few impressions:

    - Nam Tae Hee was utterly shite.
    - Koo Ja Cheol isn't needed anymore.
    - Lee Chung Yong was class, but not used correctly.
    - Hwang In Beom did well for his age and experience.
    - the MF was too offensive, making it hard for the CBs
    - when will Bento realize that Cho is our best GK?
     
  8. pkk78

    pkk78 Member

    Feb 10, 2004
    Club:
    Real CD España
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    How is this not off?????? This is number 1 bs
     
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  9. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    It's not. Look at my post above. No. 24 who pounces once KSG spills the ball is onsides. He hits it into KSG and the ball bounces off KSG playing all the other Aussies onsides since no.24 was ahead of the other Aussies at the time he struck the ball and then KSG turned over possession to them.

    It's 100% KSG at fault. He should continue preparing for his Felix role on West World and step aside for CHW.
     
  10. 007GS

    007GS Member

    Feb 2, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    The NK flag is a meaningless joke, not something anyone should take seriously. It would be like taking an Australian flag to a New Zealand rugby match.

    Kruse continues to get selected for his experience and positional sense. Australia's big problem is a lack of understanding and clinical passing in/around the box. Even Leckie is underwhelming. I felt a bit sorry for Maclaren because of this.

    Why didn't the keeper from Daegu play? Maybe I'm wrong but he looked excellent in Russia.
     
  11. Justamoment

    Justamoment Red Card

    Sep 11, 2018
    As I said other offside Aus players' even chasing the ball results in an offside. Even before that offside Aus players interfered with the play by being so close to the goalie. This is so clear that even the rule change does not allow this.
     
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  12. aeh1991

    aeh1991 Member+

    Dec 16, 2015
    Club:
    FC Augsburg
    maybe we should drop NTH and play HIB or KJC as a CAM again
     
  13. Justamoment

    Justamoment Red Card

    Sep 11, 2018
    #88 Justamoment, Nov 17, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2018
    This is a soccer forum. Unbelivable that you guys don't even know the offside rule. Before the rule change offside offence occurred by just standing there. Now they relaxed the rule but if an offside player makes any threatening gesture whatsoever like chasing the ball, that is 23748993 percent offside offence(offside itself is not an offence). Don't you get it? LOL.

    So for the goal to stand the best Aus could do was to wait for an onside player like No.24 to touch the ball so that it made you onside. Before that you CANNOT be involved in the play in any shape or form. Not even chasing the ball or even giving fingers to the opponents' goalie. Some refrees will still call an offside for just standing there because your presence can be interference. I have no problem about waiving this excessive strictness. But chasing the ball... that is expressly stated as forbidden. What is you guys' problem? I am sure if Korea scored a goal like that, a number of you guys would call it shameful.
     
  14. 12th Player

    12th Player Member+

    Nov 3, 2009
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Palestine
    I think it's time for let KJC to retire from the team.
     
  15. Ice cube

    Ice cube Member+

    May 4, 2014
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    #90 Ice cube, Nov 17, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2018
    What is the point of bringing up examples you yourself admit are outdated? The offside rule changed since those games.

    The laws are clear that to be offside, you have to be interfering with play, interfering with opponent, or gaining advantage. FIFA gives specific definitions for each phrase.
    -They're clearly not interfering with play since none of them are touching the ball.
    -They're not interfering with KSG since none of them are in his line of sight or challenging him – in fact none of them are even in the 6-yd box.
    -And they're not gaining advantage since the player who plays the ball from the rebound is 24, who was onside.

    Your claim that the Australians were interfering by intimidating KSG into dropping the ball is absurd. If that were the case, everyone would offside if they were within a few meters of the goalkeeper. (Not to mention that the rules don't include psychological pressure as a category of interference).
     
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  16. Ice cube

    Ice cube Member+

    May 4, 2014
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    It seems you are the one who doesn't know the rule. The rules were deliberately changed so that it is not enough that attackers are trying to win possession, they have to be actually doing it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2010/apr/13/the-question-why-is-offside-law-genius

    And as I've noted previously, FIFA defines gaining advantage = receiving a rebound. (not your intimidation nonsense)
     
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  17. Justamoment

    Justamoment Red Card

    Sep 11, 2018
    #92 Justamoment, Nov 17, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2018
    The rule still includes "challenging an opponent..." "attempting to play"... Not for you who are obviously incapable but for others who may think you are right.

    The rule was modified to eliminate some absurd cases where a few players inadvertently stand there in offside postions but these Australian players did everything to take advantage of their offside postions like chasing the ball which resulted in KSG unsure about whether to respond to No 24 or the other players(offside) apparently chasing the ball.

    Just saying negative things about Korea does not make you look cool. You have to be cool in the first place and that is a joke.
     
  18. Ice cube

    Ice cube Member+

    May 4, 2014
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Challenging an opponent means you are in a physical duel with them. Attempting to play is not included except with this narrow qualification:
    http://theifab.com/laws/offside/chapters/offside-offence

    The Aussies standing outside of the 6-yd box while KSG is on his line matches none of these. They are too far away to be challenging KSG for the ball. The ball wasn't close to them. Them standing there didn't impact KSG's ability to get the ball.

    I am not sure how correcting someone on the offside rule is saying something negative about Korea :ROFLMAO: Your insecurities about your heritage are as strong as your misunderstanding of offside.
     
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  19. Justamoment

    Justamoment Red Card

    Sep 11, 2018
    #94 Justamoment, Nov 17, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2018
    Actually the Guardian aricle you referenced says nothing of the sort you claim. immensely hilarious. The rule explicitly states "...attempting to play a ball which is close to them...". Now if you say the ball was not close enough when the offside Aus players ran toward it, I have nothing to say against such childish fractiousness.

    P.S. The Guardian article says the offside trap became more difficult to implement after 2005. That is because the offside player can simply choose not to be active. But chasing a ball especially in the penalty box is an active play by just about everybody's standards. I mean just by everybody except Japaenese referees officiating Korea games and classy clowns like Shin Moonson and you who think just by going againt the majority sentiment one becomes a matyr and bearer of truth torch.
     
  20. Ice cube

    Ice cube Member+

    May 4, 2014
    Club:
    Incheon United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    The Guardian article was dealing with your unfounded claim that "if an offside player makes any threatening gesture whatsoever like chasing the ball, that is 23748993 percent offside offence".

    I love how you cut off the definition where it suits you.
    "clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to him when this action impacts on an opponent or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball"
    The ball wasn't close enough. They didn't impact KSG – KSG had full freedom to move about in his box to save the shot. I really don't see why this is so hard to get. When those players are in offside positions, the ball is flying past them from the shot. By the time they are actually close to the ball (i.e. after No24 scuffs his shot), they are no longer offside because they are behind the play.
     
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  21. Justamoment

    Justamoment Red Card

    Sep 11, 2018
    #96 Justamoment, Nov 17, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 17, 2018
    Really? when he saw several players running toward the ball bounced off from him he exactly knew which one was the most dangerous and which one was onside?

    P.S. Once again that No.24 was onside is immaterial because if he was offside the ref would have decided that KSG had enough possession before he lost it and he lost it by a voluntary mistake which made everybody onside the moment he had grabbed the ball.
     
  22. Marco91

    Marco91 Member+

    Mar 12, 2016
    At home
    Club:
    Dijon FCO
    Kim Minjae is the future!
     
  23. Hodori

    Hodori Member+

    Aug 12, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Are you done yet? Now, just run along.
     
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  24. Kanuck

    Kanuck Member+

    Feb 11, 2005
    La Belle Province
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    yep, ain't that the truth. the young developing CB that we have been pining and waiting for.
     
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  25. Kanuck

    Kanuck Member+

    Feb 11, 2005
    La Belle Province
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    where did this guy come from? is he a sock?
     

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