In with the new - Summer 2019 transfer thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by chjoak, Feb 1, 2019.

  1. NorthBank

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    Mar 29, 2006
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    That's right on, as long as you put a period after Lacazette instead of a comma. ;)

    On today's Arsenal Vision season review podcast, one of the votes was for WORST player of the year, and Eliott/Clive/Paul chose: Jenks, Mustafi, Elneny. Then Tim was asked for WORST / MOST DISAPPOINTING player and he voted for: Ozil. Obviously that vote was more for disappointment than worst quality.

    Nonetheless those votes were telling I thought.
     
  2. footykid

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    Jan 10, 2005
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    I'm not sure what Jenks did to get on that list, don't remember him embarassing the shirt. Tbh I would have Bellerin on that list instead.
     
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  3. chjoak

    chjoak Member

    Jun 17, 2009
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    Jenks should be moved on but he doesn't deserve to be named as worst/most disappointing. He played what 3-4 games and actually played well enough. Ultimately he just isn't good enough.
     
  4. NorthBank

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    That's a radical view. Hector was injured so that makes him the worst? By that logic our beloved Tomas would've made the list quite a few years. :p
     
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  5. NorthBank

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    Isn't saying he "just isn't good enough" one tiny step shy of saying he's one of our worst players?
     
  6. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    Good catch.
     
  7. footykid

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    He is first choice and never available, we can't play the same way we play with him. Has he completed a full season yet?

    And take your mouth of Tomas, when he played he was huge, immense and him lifting that FA cup cup catharsis. I couldn't tell you how good Bellerin really is mostly I've forgotten his game.
     
  8. NorthBank

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    You seem to be in some sort of alternate reality about Hector. He's way better and fitter than you seem to acknowledge. E.g...

    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hector-bellerin/verletzungen/spieler/191217
     
  9. wanye_stirrear

    wanye_stirrear Member+

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    Age is important for resale value. Buying at that age group will hurt you on the back end.

    Age does not correlate well with leadership.

    Neither deserve to be on that list.
     
  10. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

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    Jenks is getting a testimonial.
     
  11. chjoak

    chjoak Member

    Jun 17, 2009
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    From an interview with Sanllehi RE our summer transfer window...
     
  12. NorthBank

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    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Proof is in the pudding mates.

    p.s. Obviously there's a lot of extra pressure to beat Chelski in 7 days.
     
  13. NorthBank

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    #588 NorthBank, May 22, 2019
    Last edited: May 22, 2019
    ArsenalMedia have been busy beavers in the last few days. Slicing & dicing this big interview of Vinai & Raul:
    https://www.arsenal.com/news/who-handles-our-transfers-and-how-does-it-work

    (Edit: Kind of confusing how they've repurposed & remixed a big long interview into a bunch of overlapping smaller segments. I would've rather they just left it as one big, chronological piece. Or maybe 2 big pieces.

    Since I was posting about these interview pieces as I listened to them, sometimes I didn't have full awareness of everything that was discussed. So when I said she avoided the elephant in the room that is Sven's departure, I later find that they get into that, at least tangentially in a piece that was posted later... "Part 2". So I've since erased some of my earlier comments about my reactions to Vinai vs Raul... I will wait to pass judgment on them, at least until I hear the entirety of what they had to say)
     
  14. NorthBank

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    #589 NorthBank, May 22, 2019
    Last edited: May 22, 2019
    Here is the "full Part 2" where Raul talks a ton about the new sporting management structure, including Technical Director, Director of Football Ops, Analytics, Ramsey, Contract renewals before final year, etc, etc.:
    https://www.arsenal.com/news/technical-director-summer-plans-our-players

    Annoyingly it overlaps with some of the other clips they've put up on the website, some of which I've linked. Don't blame me for the repetition!
     
  15. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    My my, memories can be short. In the 2017-18 season he played in 43 League and Europa League games. The only player with more league appearances that season was Xhaka. The two season before that, he average 40 League and Champions League games.
     
  16. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    Obviously Arsenal have to buy wisely, they need to buy players with leadership qualities.

    In addition, why are we concerned about resale. Is Arsenal striving to be a selling club, like Ajax, that as soon as they get good they sell off their best players and have to start over again? I rather that like, Bergkamp, Arsenal's best players retire as Arsenal players. In that context there have been a series of articles discussing Arsenal's decision to sell players if they don't resign two years before their contracts expire. On of the players mentioned was Koscielny. In two years he will be 35 and probably ready to retire, I rather Arsenal keep him than sell him this summer for whatever they can get. I'd rather he retire as an Arsenal player, but if at 35 he wants to do what Kompany did, go back to a former club on a free transfer, he's earned it
     
  17. chjoak

    chjoak Member

    Jun 17, 2009
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    They've conditioned the 2 yr thing with the exception of a player being too old to get any decent return then they could just let the contract run out. They aren't gonna run off Kos unless he asks to leave.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    The problem is the squad age curve is all screwed up
     
  19. CarlosKaiser

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    He signed with Dortmund for £22.1m. They also signed Hazard's little brother for about the same price. Spending their Pulisic money.
     
  20. thebigman

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    Bellerin was really good this year, especially in a 3atb

    He’s definitely not been shit just injured
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Its frustrating how BVB can keep signing great young players like Brandt so cheap whereas Arsenal can't see to sign anyone decent even for £25m plus huge wages
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Does anyone actually have the Arse squad curve?

    It feels very messed up. Our key players are mainly older than 30

    We don't have anyone much peaking in the key 26-28 range
     
  23. footykid

    footykid Member+

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    Cause they know they will get the chance to compete at a title, improve and move on. It's a good pitch, what is Arsenal pitching?
     
  24. mebeSajid

    mebeSajid Member+

    Feb 16, 2009
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    Those players also don’t want to leave Germany
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Rangers
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    Karo Viertel
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    Are we even in for a player like Brandt?

    He's already 23
     

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