News: IFFHS CONCACAF Club of the XXI Century

For clarification, it is for the clubs from 2001-2010.

 

Is this the thing that ranks Argentina as the second best league in the world?

 

Never mind they are 7th (not bad I guess)

http://www.iffhs.de/?20fa3002f76857a72e00fa2d17f7370eff3702bb1c2bbb6e0d

 

As always, these rankings are extremely disappointing.

What is it supposed to mean that Municipal has 848 points and Real Salt Lake has 353? Are we supposed to believe this is a measure of how good these teams have been over this period?

I don't understand why the International Federation of Football History and Statistics continues to publish such useless lists, except to publicize itself.

Is there any actual member of the IFFHS that will stand up and defend these rankings as in any way useful?

 

That's not possible. At least with DC United being the top squad from MLS. While they did win an MLS Cup and a USOC, 2001-2010 has had more off years than on. The SJ1-HOU team or the Galaxy objectively had a better decade, and it's even debatable that the New England Revolution did as well.

This looks like someone came up with list, then devised some points system to confirm what had already been decided.

 

This is often what the IFFHS rankings of any sort look like to me.

 

As such, does it really belong in N&A?

 

uhh, I don't really care about the rankings, I was just pointed out it is not current or even a one year ranking.

 

Bad analysis is still analysis.

 

And I was commenting based on exactly that point.

Just because I "replied" to your post, that doesn't mean I was contradicting or complaining about what you wrote. Context is key. You supplied the context, I supplied the analysis.

 

Oh we are good. I just want it clear I have nothing to do with those rankings.

 

i suggest waterboarding for anybody who refers to, references, or creates a thread about the IFFHS or any rankings they produce.

they are utterly useless and pretty farcical. please stop using them as a resource.

 

No. The IFFHS is pretty much a German guy sitting in his basement making numbers up at random.

To give you an idea of the problems with his methodology:

He starts the entire process by assigning each league a value from 1 to 4, based, as far as anyone can tell, on his own subjective idea of how good or bad they are. This subjective ranking is then used as a multiplier for any points earned by that club.

In other words: He has decided in advance that Liga MX is a "3" league and MLS is a "2" league. That means that when a Mexican team beats another Mexican team in league play, they earn 3 points. When an MLS team beats another MLS team, they earn 2 points.

He then uses these point totals to "prove" that the Liga MX team is better than the MLS team.

There are dozens of other serious problems with the methodology: for example, teams that play in leagues with longer seasons are automatically ranked as "better" than teams that play in leagues with shorter seasons. Teams that play in leagues with more parity are ranked as "worse" than teams that dominate terrible leagues. And so on.

Friends don't let friends drive traffic to the IFFHS.

 

That doesn't really seem that different from what FIFA does with its rankings.

 

Who cares? Its not like dozens of new threads are being created here each day.

 

It's based on points gained, so DC's back-to-back supporters shields help them alot in this ranking.

RSL is gonna suck in this ranking because of the years they didn't exist.

 

Yup, and let's not forget that the year RSL won the title....................they squeeked into the playoffs as the 8th seed.

But they did have a number of quality wins in their 2010-2011 CCL run. They beat Cruz Azul (3rd on that list) and Saprissa (7th) in order to make the final, where they drew a match with Monterrey (13th).

 

In fact, league points and wins in international competitions are all that matter for this particular ranking. The formula for MLS clubs, as far as can be gleaned from the IFFHS, is basically this:

League wins x 2 + League draws x 1 + CCL wins x 9 + CCL draws x 4.5

For Mexican clubs, the methodology is the same, except with 3 points for league wins and 1.5 for draws.

The U.S. Open Cup may also be taken into account, but it's not particularly clear.

 

Years ago, I tried using the IFFHS's formula as the basis for the top 100 clubs in the world and got a lot of bad stick for it. Did get plenty of reads though.

 

It really, really isn't at all.

DC had 4 trophies, including back-to-back Shields, versus NE's 4-times Premature Ejaculators Award.