Negative. The State Championships are actually prestigious and serve many purposes. The Copa del Rey, along with most Cups all over Europe, are literally worthless and serves no purpose at all but to congest the fixture schedule with a whole lot of pointless matches. The fact that I am explaining something as simple as this is proof that you know as much about football as I know about rocket science. Even when it comes to economic rewards (in dollars):
If messi played in south america europeans would be saying he's unproven and needs to go to europe to prove himself vs tough opposition. Ignoring the fact that the talent in european leagues is concentrated on a couple of teams. Making it a lot easier when you are playing vs one of the other 17 teams that might have one or two world class players instead of 11 or 15 like Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, and other top european clubs. []__[]
That's right, unless Messi or any other SA player playing for TOP teams (Barca Real, ManU Chelsea Man City Juve Milan Inter Bayern Dormund PSG, Lyon ...) he will be labeled as "UNPROVEN"
I can definetly say the same for European players playing in Brazil. You really think the likes of Beckham, Paul Scholes, Ashley Cole and Puyol would make it here? Lol Corinthians already gave European clubs the test last CWC and failed...how did Chelsea come to eliminate your supposed best team is beyond me.
Well it's kinda different no? A.Cole and Puyol would surely make it strong in Brazil no doubt. Beckham and Scholes? they will do well but probably not much of "boga jonito" vibe
Cristiano Ronaldo is unproven until he plays for a Brazil club? (Also - solid thinking those four players you mentioned couldn't make it in Brazil)
With the grievous schedule of a state, CdB,Brasileirao and Libertadores it would be challenging. Brazil is larger than Europe so the travel might tax their bodies imagine if they have to go to Ecuador, Mexico, Chile. The climate and altitude can also be factors of liability. Some will and wont be able to make it.
If Messi played in South America, and he was just the same player.. he would be Neymar, unproven until he went to Europe. And for the people saying that he would not have developed if he had stayed, explain to me all the players that developed in South America then went to Europe to become European superstars... Stop overrating your leagues, it's a world sport, understand that Europe had a time of financial dominance and that time is over, so the football is in pretty equal level now. Especially considering we are watching Barcelona age in front of our eyes, so the downfall of the greatest team in the past 3 years is upon us. Wonder why Pepe left Barca? because he knew Xaviesta, David Villa and Puyol were getting mighty old.
Old? Debatable. But the grapevine says that Pep has been having an internal conflict with the team after losing their "hunger" (if they ever had any). Whether Barcelona is regarded as a 2nd tier legendary team is debatable. But Pep is definetly one of the best managers to have graced the game. He isn't the type to hang out with mediocrity regardless of whether the iron is hot or not. He is the kind of manager that always looks for self-improvement in himself and others and that was most likely the reason he left.
pepe goes into bayern and now they are talking about being big spenders, Germany has an economy that can sustain the spending also, I think his magic as a coach is well defined by the money his teams spend.... Go to the Brazilian nat league or take a second tier team in an European league and win, then ill consider him one of the best managers to have ever graced the game
You need to get in touch with the "economies" first. By your logic, everyone should have the economies to have teams like Bayern. In Germany, financial responsibility is strongly enforced and regulated because the Bundesliga has an structure that everyone participating in it must follow...the same crap I keep harping on about. But everyone in Brasil is too simple-minded, save maybe Corinthians, to understand that. The Rio de Janeiro teams are specially notorious of this with Fluminense being the only ones who more or less have their shit together. To say that Pep needs to come to Brasil is like saying Pele needed to go to Europe and both of those are just arrogant and ignorant rants typical of some neanderthal british boy.
By my logic, if you don't have money.. you can't build a team like Bayern. Germans are more organized.. Yet Barcelona, Real Madrid, AC Milan are from countries which are not as well organized and flourished during an era of economic boom in Europe. AC Milan is not able to maintain it because the Italian A is not geared towards a 2 horse race like la Liga, they share revenue from the TV deals while Spain they dont. Corinthians would never share their TV deal, they want to be like Barca or Real. Also Corinthians just got gifted a Stadium with public money. There's a lot of corruption in Brazil and they are heavily involved. Going to tell me that Morumbi couldn't hold a world cup? you needed to build a new stadium for Corinthians with public funding? Fluminense is at the top because of Unimed. They don't even have their own stadium. They are using the money to pay salaries.
Easy no. No matter what the S-Americans like to think, their leagues are sub par and nobody really cares about them (those leagues). Playing there, you can never become the best because you don't play with/against the best.
That made no sense.. Because Messi WOULD be the same player, you would just view him differently. Plus... No matter what the Europeans like to think, their leagues are sub par and nobody really cares about them (those leagues) That's the way 90% of South America feels about the European leagues... There is a clear distinction between the public on this forum and most of the people which follow football in S.America. And that distinction is... most only follow European football to know who their team is playing in the Club World Cup, or to follow one of their National players abroad. (such as Messi being followed by argentineans who likely had never watched a Barca game until Messi became what he is there) When Messi is done in Barca, that team will once again disappear from the Argentinean televisions, much like it has done in Brazil since they haven't won anything of importance in 2 years. And yes nobody considers La Liga important in S. America, nobody is talking about Real Madrid and Barcelona in Argentina, they are talking more about Estudiantes being relegated or Velez continuing to decline.
If South America had money, we would have the best leagues in the world... It's a shame that we make the best players in the world and Europe just goes and buys them. Of course Messi wouldn't be the best in the world if he played in South America, Euro press would say that South American leagues are bad and that he would have to go to Europe to prove himself. So by being in Europe he becomes the best in the world. Tell me, how many Europeans play in South America? Maybe 2 or 3, that's it. Do you guys even know how many South Americans play in Europe? At least 2,000. How many South American managers are there in Europe? Pellegrini, Bielsa, Poyet, Lasarte used to, just like Tabarez, Scolari, Bianchi. Do you guys know how many European managers there are in South America? Just 1, Azkargorta, the Bolivian nt manager (Bolivia is the worst team in South America). So... If we could keep players like Falcao, Messi, Higuain, Suarez, Cavani, Hulk, Neymar and a very long etc, we would have the best leagues in the world, nowadays money is the boss sadly, that's why we can't see players that much down here. IMO players would still be as good as they are know if they continued playing here. Europe without money is nothing
There's something there. I mean, take south-american and african players away from the Premier League and what do you have left? Would you still have a top notch first tier league? I don't know, maybe you would, how can one know?... Meh, but it is how it is. We still will be cheap exporters of quality players and players will still leave our leagues at more and more younger age. So it's no use comparing leagues without taking that into account. Just an hypothetical excercise, though...