Identifying Talent - How and When?

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by UglyParent, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. PTS21

    PTS21 Member

    Sep 1, 2005
    Charlotte, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for the comments and I agree with pretty much everything.

    My son is not age eligible to play anything else until next fall so we are stuck with rec until then. Between rec and his development program, it will offer him a lot of playing time and touches over the next 10 months.

    The development program he's in is run by a club affiliated (loosely I think) with Bayern. All the coaches are from oversees and they seem to be serious about proper player development. A month or two ago they sent six of their U13 players to US Soccer's National Training Center. One of their kids just got invited back for a second tryout to Bayern's junior academy.
     
  2. kinznk

    kinznk Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    I was looking at this thread and noticed it was 4 years old. I was wondering if any of the early posters would let us know what went well in their players development and what got in the way. I ask because my son is about the same age as some of the kids at the beginning of this thread. In 2 trips down a field on one you'd say my son is the savior of US soccer and the other time you'd say he would be lucky to play jv. I think he has some ability but has holes in his game. So I was curious as to what your son's experiences were over the 13 to 18 years.
     
  3. chlopaki31

    chlopaki31 New Member

    Dec 12, 2016
    Bohemia, NY


    Hi Everyone:) My son is 6 years old he playing U9. OLIVER#13 Orange
     
  4. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I see you posted the same video twice. He looked like he was having fun. Did you tell him stop smiling while he was playing :)

    Even serious football should be fun at that age. I used to calll it serious fun.

    I love hearing commentary from the parents. I hate it from coaches. The more he does his own thinking the better he will become. Coaching is done on the practice field.

    The kid he was playing against all he had going was he was bigger and bigger :) if you know what I mean.

    Your son just has to get a little more confident when going for the ball against an opponent. I am sure that will come with time.

    Where in NY is his club located?
     
  5. StrikerMom

    StrikerMom Member

    Sep 25, 2014
    #430 StrikerMom, Dec 12, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2016
    Why are these parents 'coaching' their kids from the sidelines! Is this allowed in the US? You're going to kill your kid's creativity and concentration. If you want your kid to go far in soccer let your kid figure it out/make mistakes when they are young.

    Did I hear someone yell to the ref to "watch the offsides". Really? It's a an U9 game. No one should care who is winning - even if it's a Grand Final!
     
  6. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    "Watch the offsides" when I hear that I say it's offside not offsides :)
     
  7. chlopaki31

    chlopaki31 New Member

    Dec 12, 2016
    Bohemia, NY
    On Long Island Atletico FC NY
     
  8. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of course it's allowed, but it's not encouraged, and generally the higher level the team the more the coach tries to keep parents from doing it.

    But that's youth sports culture in the US, no matter what sport you watch or at what level you'll get some parents screaming at the kids or the ref.

    Again, American sporting culture: you always care who wins. Yeah, people generally take it a little too seriously, and a minority of parents take it WAY too seriously, but that's the way it is.

    But that said, half the screamy parents don't even know how the offside rule works anyway....
     
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  9. To tackle just that the "KNVB"(=Dutch FA) set out new guidelines for the youngest players:
    the rules of Fair Play:

    The children decide for themselves, there is no referee
    Parents and other supporters are at least 20 meters away from the field
    The trainers together accompany the game from a special 'coaching zone' on the side of the field
    The playing field is a little smaller. That should provide more fun and action

    Comment of John Heckman, who was former president of youth football RKTSV in Kerkrade and is one of the initiators. With the youngest youth teams he often saw "enormous stress". "In our opinion it was because of the overenthusiastic parents along the side, screaming coaches and strict referees. All of these people had the best intentions, of course, but because of the stress children could not play more freely."

    Before making it a rule however, there has been a trial first to put parents in the youngest footballers category at a distance. It did lead to significantly more soccer fun with the pupils, the KNVB concluded.
     
  10. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    training on the practice field is more important then games.

    When I did a lot of teams at the same time. I never missed a practice. I did miss games I thought my assistant could do them.

    But games are important as well. You want to see them do what you practices in real game situations.

    More practices you do the better they should do in games. So wins are a by product of being prepared on the practice field.

    The more practice they have on the practice field the less you have to open your mouth in a game. You may have to adjust, but the less you have to coach in games. Coaches that have to talk to much do it because they did not prepare them enough on the practice field.

    When coaches say winning is not important learning is I think they are already making an excuse not to be fired if they are under achievers on the practice field.
     
  11. StrikerMom

    StrikerMom Member

    Sep 25, 2014
    Parents who take it all too seriously is an international problem. :unsure: Here, it's fairly controlled for most sports and no one will really stand near those type of parents during a game. Then, there are those other toxic parents on the sidelines quietly critiquing other players and complaining about the coach's decisions or other kids getting more game time...

    Anyway, as you said - it is what it is. But if your kid wants to develop and play at a higher level - consider not being one of those kind of parents!
     
  12. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My kid's current coach doesn't tolerate it, and there's only one parent on our team who does it (always in Spanish, whether or not the kid he's yelling his advice to speaks Spanish), and the kids just tune him out, except for his own kid, our goalkeeper, who yells back at him how wrong he is (in English).
     
  13. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Kids when constantly yelled at just tune the coach and their parent out after awhile.

    when a kid stops playing and puts his hands over his ears that usually is the wake up call parents need to finally shut up.

    I made it my business to actually listen to what parents are telling their kids on how to play. Then I would confront the parent alone, and tell them what they are telling their kids is wrong. Then I told them why it was wrong. Usually after doing that they stop.
     
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  14. bostondiesel

    bostondiesel Member

    Oct 23, 2006
    Barring time in jail there is no working deterrent for truly aberrant parent behavior. I guess long suspensions from watching could be employed but I do not see this in practice.

    As Nick says there are parents who will listen to reason, think..then perhaps realize how their behavior is counterproductive. I say so from experience and with conviction, if your son or daughter has to hear YOUR idiot musings while he or she plays then I'm very confident the end product will be less than adequate.

    That being said, I am not an advocate of our kids games becoming ridiculously sterile affairs. I do feel at times the PC police are very vocal about emotion, passion, enthusiasm etc. Chill out. Just because very very bad parents DO exist does not mean that ALL energy,enthusiasm, and passion is wrong...And unfortunately soccer in the US DOES have more parents that fall into the category of those who would have their children wear helmets to chess club.
     
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  15. R. Carrillo

    R. Carrillo Member

    Aug 15, 2013
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Good to see more posters based in NY. With the demise of the cosmos, we will have lost another USSF DA Academy. Long Island has zero academies. NYC has 2 in queens. Thats it, unless you are willing to drive over an hour each way to westchester or New Jersey (even queens is an hour for most of long island). Westchester county gets 2, but Nassau/Suffolk County gets zero?
     
  16. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's probably harder to field a team in a heavily urban area. In the Bay Area there's only one DA club in San Francisco, and only at the U12 level; all the others are in suburbs where field space is more plentiful, not to mention more kids per capita outside the city.
     
  17. jvgnj

    jvgnj Member

    Apr 22, 2015
    Clubs have to apply for DA membership, right? Sounds like what you need is for a Long Island-based club to apply and meet the criteria. Given the size of the area, I'm sure there has to be a few candidates.
     
  18. chlopaki31

    chlopaki31 New Member

    Dec 12, 2016
    Bohemia, NY
    If my son got a chance playing in Academy I can drive him 1.5-2 3 times a week not a problem ;)
     
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  19. StrikerMom

    StrikerMom Member

    Sep 25, 2014
    I know it sounds daunting, but sometimes you have to do it. We drive 2.5 hours round trip 4x a week so our daughter can play with a team where the majority of players are NT players (17/20) and the coaches are professional coaches. She started with this academy when she was U13. We have a carpool which helps!

    Only drawback is that she spends weekends and any free evenings doing homework and because of the commute we don't have spare time for her to doing any private/semi-private technical training which a lot of kids do at the higher levels. The ones who who have been doing it consistently for years really stand out.
     
  20. R. Carrillo

    R. Carrillo Member

    Aug 15, 2013
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Of course but still doesn't seem fair that westchester county has 2 and all us latinos back in long island have to commute to queens!

    Is your son playing in U9 premiere LIJSL next year? Mine is in Albertson.

    Cheers!

    Robert
     
  21. chlopaki31

    chlopaki31 New Member

    Dec 12, 2016
    Bohemia, NY
    No he is playing NYCSL PL U9 :)
     
  22. R. Carrillo

    R. Carrillo Member

    Aug 15, 2013
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    LOL yea, thats what I mean. My mistake, Thats where my kid played. Kids probably played each other. See you out there in the spring!
     
  23. chlopaki31

    chlopaki31 New Member

    Dec 12, 2016
    Bohemia, NY
  24. GoalkeeperDad

    GoalkeeperDad New Member

    Aug 25, 2014

    Hello from California everybody. Here is a short 3.5 minutes clip from a single game. I posted videos about my son 2 years ago (see page 14), now he is 2 years older. Sorry, nicklaino, you asked me to post a training video to do a better judgement, but I couldn't put it together in time then.
     
  25. luftmensch

    luftmensch Member+

    May 4, 2006
    Petaluma
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man, that must be so confusing for them with the mishmash of lines out there, it's bad enough when they play the full length of the field with the football lines.

    Sac Republic has a good academy, my son is in the U14 DA league and they're the best team in that age group.
     
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