To hate VAR or to hate the LOTG? That is the question [R]

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  1. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
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    Yeah, okay. We mostly agree on this, because I don't like this happening either.
     
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  2. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
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    United - Wolves, header goal scored late but ruled out due to the ball coming off the arm.

    Was quickly VAR reviewed, but the ref had it all the way and ruled the goal out to start with. Good job ref.
     
  3. verde-rubro

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  4. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Not funny really, it just shows had stupid this all is.
    There has to be a clear cut defining way to decide this.


    Don't look at me... :(
     
  5. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

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  6. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    Monitor used to get a sending off right in Palace match.
     
  7. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    about bloody time ....

    Michael Oliver re-watched an incident involving Luka Milivojevic and Tom Huddlestone during Derby's 1-0 win at Selhurst Park.
    And after seeing the Crystal Palace midfielder aim a headbutt at his opponent, he brandished the red card.
    It is the first time a player has been sent off in this country after a referee watched the pitchside monitor.
     
  8. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    more VAR idiocy ...

    VAR technology was in use for today's FA Cup games - but only at Premier League grounds.
     
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  9. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

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    THAT ... is ridiculous! :rolleyes::eek::(
     
  10. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    it's all part of the Premier League's new "CPOF" * strategy which they are pursuing ruthlessly.






    *Completely Piss Off Fans
     
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  11. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

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    :rolleyes:
    it’s working...
    :(
     
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  12. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    That’s been known for a long time, it applied to the FA cup matches last season too.
     
  13. CB-West

    CB-West Member+

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    Doesn't matter - it is still ridiculous to have "two sets" of rules in the same competition...
     
  14. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    Yeah I don’t really understand it either... but I’m just saying, this is not new.
     
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  15. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

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    Sheffield v West Ham. Late charge through midfield by Rice, 91st minute if I remember correctly, 50/50 ball is headed right into his hand/arm which frees him and he slots in Snodgrass, who finishes nicely to seemingly snatch a point.

    VAR correctly rules out the goal according to the new handball rule.

    Pundits after the match typifying the problem with the media in these matters... this exact handball has been taken off a bunch of times already, but when it is correctly applied in the 91st minute of a very close match suddenly it's some huge injustice that demands adjustment. I kind of like the new handball rule, I think it looks weird when a goal is scored almost exclusively because the ball came off an attacker's arm, but either way it will be interesting to see what if any changes are made to the handball rule in the off-season.

    It just doesn't seem to happen often enough to draw that much attention IMO, so I doubt anything will be done, but we'll have to wait and see.
     
  16. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
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    Yep completely correct.
     
  17. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Burnly have a goal disallowed for an armpit hair growing the wrong way.
     
  18. Billyboy229

    Billyboy229 Member

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    Then chelsea get a pen for move invented by Ronaldo
     
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  19. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    clubs will be hiring a new type of backroom specialists soon - professional groomers.
     
  20. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
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    I think the thing that is confusing me about this season is the race for 4th place.....the teams are so incredibly inconsistent that you can't predict what will happen or who will win.

    But then you hear the pundits and the papers and they act that Chelski, Tottenham, ManU are doing "well" while ignoring Wolves/Sheffield.

    Anyway.

    Soton loses a chance at a penalty thanks to VAR. Correct call but another armpit decision.
     
  21. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    F'k VAR again this morning. Giving a foul on a player who only has eyes on the ball because his momentum carried him into the keeper. I showed a screen shot yesterday of Virgil with his hands in a natural position reaching with his head for the ball and DeGea reaching over him vainly trying for the ball. What a farcical desision.

    Here's Roy Keanes' comments. Yeah, the fanatical dirty bastard who would do anything for manU to win.

    'The game's gone mad': Roy Keane slams decision to rule out Roberto Firmino's strike for Virgil van Dijk's challenge on David de Gea, as Graeme Souness insists Dutchman's challenge was 'honest'

    Full Story:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...n-rule-Firminos-goal-van-Dijks-challenge.html

    The then a Liverpool point of view.

    Liverpool legend goes on VAR rant while discussing decision to penalise Virgil van Dijk for foul on David de Gea

    Full Story:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-water-Liverpool-legend-embarks-VAR-rant.html

    Yes, we do need to protect goalies but let's not be stupid about it. Seems like an angry look at a keeper down at the other end could get you a yellow card.

    My time as a keeper left me with broken fingers, broken ribs, and a cheek bone that was shattered by a size 12 boot. It took two trips to the operating theatre to sort that out. So yeah, some reasonable rulings I can see.

    The referee on the spot gave a goal. !!! That should have been end of. But the ref watching TV in his "very subjective opinion" or he felt intimidated by the reaction of the manurites on the pitch.

    We're not talking laws of the game. We're talking individual opinions.
     
  22. burning247

    burning247 Member+

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    1218945560020951041 is not a valid tweet id
     
  23. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Every game now has 2 refs. One on the pitch for the routine stuff, and one hundreds of miles away who decides important stuff. The VAR cannot be overruled by the second-class ref apparently.

    This isnt the way it's supposed to work. The game ref is supposed to check the monitor to see if he missed anything. But in every single instance he just does what he is told. He may be fully aware of what happened but like you say his opinion is meaningless compared to the VAR.

    I'm convinced if the VAR involvement was ONLY to say "Take a 2nd look" but the game ref still made all the decisions a lot of the uproar would calm down.
     
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  24. verde-rubro

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  25. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
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    If that happened to Alisson, and that goal against stood, I think you guys would be upset... he's clearly impeding the goal keeper, VVD literally bumps DDG's arm which forces him to lose the ball. You know refs don't play around in those situations, anything they can give against a player to protect goalkeepers, they're going to. Shocking that the ref allowed play to continue in the first place.

    Gini's goal was ********ing brilliant, what a finish... shame he was offside.

    Both goals shouldn't have counted. Liverpool need to be less wasteful against the likes of Atletico in the CL. Easily could have scored more in this match, ignoring the VARed goals.
     
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