Howard/Donovan: Everton - Chelsea / 02.10.10 / 3pm ET

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad Gameday' started by Crimen y Castigo, Feb 8, 2010.

  1. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    no, I did not mean you. Sorry if it sounded that way. ;)
     
  2. Deimos

    Deimos Member

    Apr 23, 1999
    Louisville, KY, USA
    Can someone explain the transfer rules?

    As I understand it, his loan can be extended until the end of the season, at which time he can be officially transfered in August. However, no other team can buy him until August, so for this season it's Everton or nothing.
     
  3. Arteta's Girl

    Arteta's Girl Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Arteta, bad game?

    Passes: 38
    Successful: 31
    Unsuccessful: 7

    Gave the ball away often, really?

    Arteta had a good game. He was only really lost the ball when he was quite visably gassed for the 10 minutes or so before he came off.
     
  4. Dr Jay

    Dr Jay BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 7, 1999
    Newton, MA USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds like you have it correct.

    He either finishes out the loan, returns to MLS, then sees if anyone can meet MLS's price in August OR the loan gets extended then he gets transfered in August.

    Isn't there also a rule about how many teams a player can play for during one season ? Is two or three the max ? If its two, he can't play for anyone or than the Galaxy or Everton until August.
     
  5. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member

    Oct 15, 2007

    Can't appear for more than two teams in the same season, unless there is an emergency loan.
     
  6. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 5, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seven times. That seems "often" to me.
     
  7. Arteta's Girl

    Arteta's Girl Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Club:
    Everton FC
    4 times less "often" than Donovan though...
     
  8. arkjayback

    arkjayback Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Le Mars, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Often? For an attacking midfielder???!!! In case you're not good at math, which it seems you're not, 7 out of 38 is only 18%. That means the attacking midfielder's passing percentage was over 81%.
     
  9. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 5, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's telling. An important comparison.
     
  10. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 5, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't get your undies in a bunch. I think Arteta's Girl straightened me out without your vitriol. It's spelling I am bad at; I am actually okay at math.
     
  11. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    He lost the ball in bad positions and is not capable of winning them back the way Donovan is.

    Chelsea loves to attack right down the middle and can in two passes be knocking on Howard's door.

    If I had enough time, I would like to see how many 50/50 balls he won for the team. This stat is crucial in games against the big 4 as it strings together maybe 4 or 5 more passes against teams that will always dominate in possession.
     
  12. Sam Hamwich

    Sam Hamwich BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 11, 2006
    haha, i just realized that arteta's girl is that arteta. sorry if he is your uncle or something. I remember seeing him play a couple of years ago and he was good. Wicked free kicks, some nifty passing.
     
  13. Arteta's Girl

    Arteta's Girl Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Mate, give it a break. Arteta is more than capable of winning the ball back.

    Donovan made 3 interceptions.Attempted 8 tackles - won 2, lost 6.
     
  14. Arteta's Girl

    Arteta's Girl Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Haha, what other Arteta would it be? He's not my uncle, just used this name since I was a lot younger and it's used as my username now.
     
  15. Friedel'sAccent

    Friedel'sAccent Member+

    Jul 7, 2006
    Providence, RI
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is unnecessarily confrontational. Please tone it down when engaging with others.
     
  16. alky13

    alky13 New Member

    Jul 29, 2009
    Manchester/NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regardless, Deep Wilcox is wrong.
     
  17. Trequartista10

    Apr 10, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I rolled my eyes at that post too. Didn't think it dignified a response.
     
  18. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Uhm, no. Football is a global market. A player who could thrive in the bottom third of the prem could thrive in the bottom third of any league, given the salary disparities, that's where they'd be, making a hell of a lot more money. there are exception, sometimes player don't like to leave home, but by and large, well, simply come on.
    An MLS salary budget is paltry compared to Reading's, and they're in the championship relegation zone. Talent flows to money. There are some restrictions that dam that a bit, but in world football, the higher the wages, the better quality the teams. MLS is doing exactly what it set out to do, re-establish the professional game in the US, and slowly and surely grow the sport. but why we have to keep saying it compares in any way to top level talent is beyond me.
     
  19. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 5, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't really subscribe to the "The world is flat" economic theory of football. A few years ago here in Colorado we had a south African, Shaun Bartlett, playing some really low quality football for the Rapids and earning $45,000 per year. A year later he shows up in the bottom half of the EPL still sucking for much more money than that. Bartlett was not "talent flowing to money", just some twisted fate. It happens all the time.
    Reasonable people can disagree, but I think a player like CC would be just fine in the bottom half of the Prem and he'd be making a lot more money. Just a market innefficiency.

    I think Landon is showing us this as well. A month ago, everybody knew he was good, but I think if you asked US fans if he would just screw Ashley Cole into the ground and be capable of playing well against teams like Chelsea, the answer would be "no", maybe "hell no". Now, Donavon looks like he could fit with just about any team. He appears to be a great player, who hasn't ended up (til now) in a top league.
     
  20. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think the reason why people have a hard time agreeing on the Donovan's accomplishments are because a lot of them become inflated as time goes on.

    Can he play against top teams? Yes. Did he screw A Cole to the ground? Hell No! He might have had a better game than Cole, but c'mon...let's keep it real, OK?
     
  21. wsmaugham

    wsmaugham Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Chicago
    In truth, MLS is helped to a large extent by the skepticism many richer leagues hold about the general talent level on display in it. It's still a buyers' market to a large extent, with a few notable exceptions. (And by that I mean wage comparisons, not necessarily the value MLS places on it's players when negotiating a sale.) Outside of Scandinavia, who see good value, the player pool is fairly untapped. Garber and company should be thankful that is the case, otherwise MLS could find itself picked apart like a Thanksgiving turkey.
     
  22. Deep Wilcox

    Deep Wilcox BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 5, 2007
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "As time goes by?" "He might of had a better game than A Cole."?

    The game was 4 days ago. It isn't like this is some fictional lore. He was MOM, got 8's and even 9's from the media. He really made Ashley Cole look pedestrian. He DID have a better game than A Cole. Much better. That's real.
     
  23. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Thats right right, in only 4 days, Donovan went from having great game, a much better one than Cole, to "screwing him to the ground". Making him look "pedestrian"? Pul-eez... :rolleyes:
     
  24. SoccerKowboy

    SoccerKowboy BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 13, 2007
    Virginia, USA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The universal opinion seems to be that he outplayed Cashley, and caused Carvalho a bunch of problems as well. He also completely limited Cole's attacking presence on the left, except for one cross near the beginning of the game to Lampard (positionally, though, Donovan was playing correctly on that play).
     
  25. Arteta's Girl

    Arteta's Girl Member

    Sep 29, 2008
    Liverpool, UK
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Yeah, at one point, within the first 5 or 10 minutes, Donovan was fed down the line, ran forward into the space created by Cole's absence upfield - Donovan ended up putting a dangerous ball across goal but only Saha was forward in support. Cole was pretty much anonymous as an attacking force after that.
     

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