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Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad Gameday' started by Crimen y Castigo, Feb 8, 2010.
no, I did not mean you. Sorry if it sounded that way.
Can someone explain the transfer rules?
As I understand it, his loan can be extended until the end of the season, at which time he can be officially transfered in August. However, no other team can buy him until August, so for this season it's Everton or nothing.
Arteta, bad game?
Gave the ball away often, really?
Arteta had a good game. He was only really lost the ball when he was quite visably gassed for the 10 minutes or so before he came off.
Sounds like you have it correct.
He either finishes out the loan, returns to MLS, then sees if anyone can meet MLS's price in August OR the loan gets extended then he gets transfered in August.
Isn't there also a rule about how many teams a player can play for during one season ? Is two or three the max ? If its two, he can't play for anyone or than the Galaxy or Everton until August.
Can't appear for more than two teams in the same season, unless there is an emergency loan.
Seven times. That seems "often" to me.
4 times less "often" than Donovan though...
Often? For an attacking midfielder???!!! In case you're not good at math, which it seems you're not, 7 out of 38 is only 18%. That means the attacking midfielder's passing percentage was over 81%.
That's telling. An important comparison.
Don't get your undies in a bunch. I think Arteta's Girl straightened me out without your vitriol. It's spelling I am bad at; I am actually okay at math.
He lost the ball in bad positions and is not capable of winning them back the way Donovan is.
Chelsea loves to attack right down the middle and can in two passes be knocking on Howard's door.
If I had enough time, I would like to see how many 50/50 balls he won for the team. This stat is crucial in games against the big 4 as it strings together maybe 4 or 5 more passes against teams that will always dominate in possession.
haha, i just realized that arteta's girl is that arteta. sorry if he is your uncle or something. I remember seeing him play a couple of years ago and he was good. Wicked free kicks, some nifty passing.
Mate, give it a break. Arteta is more than capable of winning the ball back.
Donovan made 3 interceptions.Attempted 8 tackles - won 2, lost 6.
Haha, what other Arteta would it be? He's not my uncle, just used this name since I was a lot younger and it's used as my username now.
This is unnecessarily confrontational. Please tone it down when engaging with others.
Regardless, Deep Wilcox is wrong.
I rolled my eyes at that post too. Didn't think it dignified a response.
Uhm, no. Football is a global market. A player who could thrive in the bottom third of the prem could thrive in the bottom third of any league, given the salary disparities, that's where they'd be, making a hell of a lot more money. there are exception, sometimes player don't like to leave home, but by and large, well, simply come on.
An MLS salary budget is paltry compared to Reading's, and they're in the championship relegation zone. Talent flows to money. There are some restrictions that dam that a bit, but in world football, the higher the wages, the better quality the teams. MLS is doing exactly what it set out to do, re-establish the professional game in the US, and slowly and surely grow the sport. but why we have to keep saying it compares in any way to top level talent is beyond me.
I don't really subscribe to the "The world is flat" economic theory of football. A few years ago here in Colorado we had a south African, Shaun Bartlett, playing some really low quality football for the Rapids and earning $45,000 per year. A year later he shows up in the bottom half of the EPL still sucking for much more money than that. Bartlett was not "talent flowing to money", just some twisted fate. It happens all the time.
Reasonable people can disagree, but I think a player like CC would be just fine in the bottom half of the Prem and he'd be making a lot more money. Just a market innefficiency.
I think Landon is showing us this as well. A month ago, everybody knew he was good, but I think if you asked US fans if he would just screw Ashley Cole into the ground and be capable of playing well against teams like Chelsea, the answer would be "no", maybe "hell no". Now, Donavon looks like he could fit with just about any team. He appears to be a great player, who hasn't ended up (til now) in a top league.
I think the reason why people have a hard time agreeing on the Donovan's accomplishments are because a lot of them become inflated as time goes on.
Can he play against top teams? Yes. Did he screw A Cole to the ground? Hell No! He might have had a better game than Cole, but c'mon...let's keep it real, OK?
In truth, MLS is helped to a large extent by the skepticism many richer leagues hold about the general talent level on display in it. It's still a buyers' market to a large extent, with a few notable exceptions. (And by that I mean wage comparisons, not necessarily the value MLS places on it's players when negotiating a sale.) Outside of Scandinavia, who see good value, the player pool is fairly untapped. Garber and company should be thankful that is the case, otherwise MLS could find itself picked apart like a Thanksgiving turkey.
"As time goes by?" "He might of had a better game than A Cole."?
The game was 4 days ago. It isn't like this is some fictional lore. He was MOM, got 8's and even 9's from the media. He really made Ashley Cole look pedestrian. He DID have a better game than A Cole. Much better. That's real.
Thats right right, in only 4 days, Donovan went from having great game, a much better one than Cole, to "screwing him to the ground". Making him look "pedestrian"? Pul-eez...
The universal opinion seems to be that he outplayed Cashley, and caused Carvalho a bunch of problems as well. He also completely limited Cole's attacking presence on the left, except for one cross near the beginning of the game to Lampard (positionally, though, Donovan was playing correctly on that play).
Yeah, at one point, within the first 5 or 10 minutes, Donovan was fed down the line, ran forward into the space created by Cole's absence upfield - Donovan ended up putting a dangerous ball across goal but only Saha was forward in support. Cole was pretty much anonymous as an attacking force after that.