How long until a Gold Cup is played entirely outside of USA?

Discussion in 'Gold Cup' started by MRschizoid21, Jun 6, 2011.

  1. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    The Gold cup winner gets $1 million and the payouts go down from there. CONMEBOL pays it's champion $4 million and it's fourth place finisher receives $1 million. The payouts change depending on where you finish so Mexico can definitely make more at the Copa
     
  2. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Thank you for the info.

    Id be curious to know what CONCACAF does with the profits from the Gold Cup and if the poorer non participating teams reap any rewards of the profitability of the Gold Cup. I have read in the past that the profits of the gold cup allow concacaf to hold thier youth and women's tournament and qualifiers.
     
  3. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    An important factor not being considered is how much of the tv money and sponsorships are because of the tournament location and the high attendence guarantee that only the US can provide.
     
  4. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    I don't think those things are related much (or at all). TV broadcasters and sponsors are interested in how many people watch the games on TV - that's where they make their advertising money. I would argue the people that actually show up to watch the game live are outside of their direct market.
     
  5. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    I disagree. Sponsors and tv execs want full stadiums.
     
  6. CBusAlex

    CBusAlex Member

    Jun 17, 2011
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Country:
    United States
    Do you have a link for this? It seems pretty unlikely to me.
     
  7. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    Right. Because when Joe Shmoe tunes in to watch any given game but then sees empty seats in the stands he's bound to say "fuck it, i'm not watching this anymore".

    o_O

    In any case, we've been over this before. The GC schedules double headers to boost up the attendance for less interesting games, and even then a bunch of the group games are played in ginormous, half empty NFL stadiums.

    At this point you're just arguing for the sake of arguing :cautious:
     
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  8. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    It may sound silly to you but that is a factor. Empty stadium shows Joe mcchannelflipper that what is on is not a big deal.
     
  9. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    See, the problem is CONCACAF does not release the revenue numbers, which incidentally is a whole different can of worms since regardless of the supposed economic success of the tournament, a lot of the federations actually have losses when participating (I read somewhere the CR federation barely broke even last time).

    But, other confederations do release this data. This article has income data for UEFA in 2010/2011: http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2012/06/uefas-trans-europe-express.html

    Of course nobody is trying to compare the attraction worlwide that UEFA's competitions generate to that of the Gold Cup, but proportionally it seems unlikely that TV and commercial rights would carry comparable weight to tickets, unless of course CONCACACF can't negotiate for shit...
     
  10. CBusAlex

    CBusAlex Member

    Jun 17, 2011
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Country:
    United States
    It doesn't necessarily scale proportionally though, because the capacity for ticket sales is limited by the practical size of a stadium, while capacity for TV audiences is basically unlimited. The combined face value of every ticket to the final game of Euro 2016 is probably not more than 10 times the Gold Cup final, but the TV rights have got to be several orders of magnitude higher, because it's being watched by hundreds of millions of people around the world.

    Bottom line is that FMF and UNCAF have no particular reason to want to prop up soccer in the US. If they're scheduling friendlies and the Copa Centroamericana here, it's a pretty good indication that the additional revenue is not insignificant.
     
  11. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    It's not insignificant to FA presidents that don't have to organize a tournament within their country and get the benefits of a bigger take home for themselves. Eduardo Li the FA president that moved the Central American cup to the US was recently arrested for bribery. The extra revenue is insignificant when it comes to actually funding the game and infrastructure in other countries. There is no sporting reason for not rotating the tournament the only reason is FA presidents like the extra revenue for themselves
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

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    #262 EvanJ, Jun 30, 2015
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    As a fan and former student of another school in the Colonial Athletic Association, Hofstra, I'd like to say that only one member, Virginia Commonwealth, was in Richmond. William & Mary, the next closest CAA school to the Richmond Coliseum, is 51.5 miles away. Your school, UNCW, is 255.8 miles away from Richmond Coliseum. My school, Hofstra, is 365.1 miles away.

    Edit: You were probably talking about the University of Richmond, who left the Colonial Athletic Association when Hofstra joined.
     
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  13. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
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    Jorge Wilstermann
    Country:
    Bolivia
    Back of the envelope stuff here but the last Gold Cup had about 400k spectators paying an average $100 per ticket. So 40 million dollars from that. I suspect that the TV money might not reach that high for this competition.
     
  14. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    You got it. Out first caa title win was against Richmond at the coliseum when both schools were in the league.

    We lost to vcu in 96 and Richmond in 98 in the finals both at the coliseum. I'm very familiar with the unfair advantage of always hosting but also realize poorer conferences have to do what is necessary financially
     
  15. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
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    Jorge Wilstermann
    Country:
    Bolivia
    You say this but have actually looked at the numbers?
     
  16. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    I agree I don't think the tv money for the gold cup is that much. Outside of Mexico and Spanish language US coverage there is not much demand from networks who will pay big bucks. This tournament just recently got in English-speaking language tv in the US
     
  17. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Country:
    Bolivia
    It's a Mexico vs US dialogue. It's not going to generate all that much TV money. It is, however, a nice chance for expats to see their country's team in a real competition. It's sort of hard to find a country with that many Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Mexicans, Haitians, etc. all willing to pay $100 for a ticket.
     
  18. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    The TV money is a package deal that includes the CCL. However Univision signed it for $185 million just for the U.S. Spanish rights. There also the English tv rights, the Mexican and other countries TV rights along with sponsorship money. There is no reason this tournament can't still be profitable outside of the US. Clearly not as profitable but who cares if they if the FA presidents pocket a little less
     
  19. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    Univision has the rights for the spanish broadcast, Fox sports has the rights for the english broadcast. If CONCACAF can't get significantly more out of those two networks in terms of broadcasting rights than whatever they can get from ticket sales, then they are definitely doing it wrong. And that isn't even counting whatever they get from sponsors.

    But again, it seems like the name of the game is "profit" rather than "fairness", which is all sorts of wrong 25 years into the life of the tournament.
     
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  20. CBusAlex

    CBusAlex Member

    Jun 17, 2011
    Orlando, FL
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    Columbus Crew
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    United States
    Of course, it's easy to say "money shouldn't be a factor" when it's not your money.
     
  21. slaminsams

    slaminsams Member+

    Mar 22, 2010
    Money shouldn't be the only factor in a sporting event is the point
     
  22. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    Whose money is it? Yours? Because unless it is actually yours, I don't get the reticence to acknowledge that having always the same host for purely monetary reasons is as Mickey Mouse as it gets and it hurts the credibility and competitiveness of the tournament.
     
  23. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Im all for moving it around if the thing can make money elsewhere. TV is definitely where the BIG money is at, so if you can get FOX/ESPN/NBC to buy into a mini World Cup event, you can definitely have profitable tournament wherever you put it. The time zone difference won't be that bad anywhere in this confederation, like an Asian world cup would present, so for sure move it around if TV is willing to buy in.

    However remember, this is only the 3rd gold cup with English Language TV coverage. In 2009, I had to switch my cable package around so I could watch the US games on Telefutura with English Closed Caption. Until TV is willing to buy into this tournament, having it outside of the USA will be a tough sell to cash strapped FA's.
     
  24. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    To add to my point, in 2011, only games involving the US were on English language TV via Fox Soccer Channel, while in 2013 all games were on Fox Soccer Channel except for 2 US games which made it to FOX proper.

    This is the first time that the Gold Cup will be broadcast entirely on a mainstream sports channel in English
     
  25. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Country:
    United States

    is highlights of the Gold Cup 2007 Final from FSC. 2015 will be the fifth Gold Cup with English language TV coverage. I don't know how many games in 2007 and 2009 had English TV, but the 2007 Final certainly did.
     

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