How do you allow God Save the Queen to be sung ?

Have they never had it at a match in Ireland before? Surely they have, they play national anthems before every game, as a rule I believe. Now, in Croke Park...that may be a bit of a different question after what happened 87 years ago, but nonetheless, its an international match, where both anthems get played

 

87 years ago the English went into Croke Park and shot the place up like the ********ing savages they were...I thought you were referring to that

 

Shame, then that the government, the GAA, the IRFU and the vast majority of the population of Ireland don't agree with your position. Mind you, that's a bit cheeky, seeing as they only live there and all.

But if it'll charm your angry heart, perhaps you should know that Ruairí Ó Brádaigh and his RSF cohorts had a huge march to express outrage on behalf of the people of Ireland. The Gardai (Irish police) said they had no problems with the 25 people who showed up.

But what'll not soothe you troubled brow is the further fact that this was not the first time God Save The Queen was sung in Croke Park, nor the first time that the Union Jack flew high there. But you knew that, right? Or if you didn't, it couldn't be that you're only jumping on the bandwagon of selective outrage, now could it?

 

It's called moving on. Anthems are part and parcel of international matches. Deal with it.

 

Well said.

 

While I am against the occupation personally, to say that it's illegal is pushing the boat out.

Ireland's call should be banned however.

 

Welcome to 2007.

 

What a fantastic thread.

 

Bollocks......

 

If it'll help. (Not that it did the first time, as you avoided it.......)

Oh, BTW, bollocks again........

 

At a Wolfe Tones gig? I think you might want to find a more representative cross-section of the population before jumping to conclusions like that. I wouldn't usually place too much faith in an internet straw poll, but judging from this thread so far you're in a minority of one. 'The ROI' has better things to do than sit in a corner grumbling about those pesky English dastards.

As a southerner living in Belfast, take it from me - it's the kind of people who go to Wolfe Tones shows to get irate about the English who have been holding back progress for so long. Whether you mean English or British is another thing entirely.

How apt that this thread was started on the day the North regained devolution. (And doubly coincidentally, given the post quoted, I'm just about to start writing a paper on the Love Ulster parade from a social identity framework perspective).

 

Based on what? Your attendance at one Wolfe Tones gig? Or the fact that you parachuted into to Ireland for a week and found a way to fix everything?

 

Well that settles it then, I guess.


Must remember to get on to the government, the FAI, IRFU and most other people and tell them they're wrong. *Note to self - add to To Do list.*

Needless to say you still haven't bothered to answer the question about GSTQ and the Union Jack in Croke Park, Lansdowne Road, the RDS, Dalymount or indeed in countless other venues around Ireland for the last many, many years.......

Oh, BTW, bollocks again.......

 

My feeling is that a United Ireland as commonly described is a completely unworkable goal. People clamour for it as some sort of idealised far-off Utopia, while ignoring the fact that if in time the balance of opinion in the North shifts those extra few percentage points from unionist to nationalist and N.I. is merged with the South, it doesn't solve anything. You've just reversed the problem. Now the unionists are unhappy at having the contact with what they see as their motherland broken, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see loyalist paramilitaries dusting off their old combat boots.

And that's without factoring in the economic, cultural, educational and administrative disruptions. Can you tell me how you would work it?

 

Yeah, I can't remember the number of times I've heard the catch cry Ulster is English!!

He doesn't need to - he's been in bars when Celtic have been playing....

 

I think he means English because he has not yet complained about the Welsh anthem being played on Saturday. Otherwise I'm not educated enough on the subject to really speak on it (perhaps because I have never been in a bar while Celtic is playing?)

 

What I mean is that the English aren't 'occupying' N.I. - it's the British governement that are in charge. Similarly, the Union Jack isn't the English flag, it's the British one. Unionists don't see themselves as English, they see themselves as British.

 

Ulster is English!