How Do We Line Up With Rooney

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  1. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watched him quite a bit at ManU. I don't remember seeing him play quite this way regularly. Admittedly, I did not watch him at Everton more than a highlight here or there. He'll have a good amount of time and space since teams will also need to respect Mattock's speed and Arriola, Acosta, Steiber, Asad (whichever 4 of them are on the field with him at any time). Or teams can close him down and double him and get carved up by the others.
    The HUGE problems is our defense. Fisher made a huge mistake on Saturday. Vancouver just wasn't able to capitalize. They had to triple team Davies quite a few times. He even scored after beating 3 guys...
     
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  2. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No matter how much I ragged on DeLeon in the past, he's still better than Fisher, by a mile!
     
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  3. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Fisher is not MLS quality. DCU needs a competent RB and a competent organizing CB stat. Vancouver had one header off the cross bar, another off the post and a third that skipped wide by about 18 inches. We also say Davies abuse 3 defenders to score a goal. The back 4 is poor and the goalkeeping average. It takes more.
     
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  4. UnitedBorn

    UnitedBorn Member+

    Dec 7, 2015
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    Davies has done worse to better as he's a special talent so no shame in him killing you. Kid could break the MLS transfer record.

    Fisher gotta go though, it wouldn't surprise me if he was close to the team lead in touches on the ball in the offensive half.
     
  5. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    I think a healthy DeLeon would basically have been fine (though I wish he'd been converted to FB, which was his natural position all along, years ago; if he had, he might actually have become good eventually). With our other flank players being among the better players on the team, what DeLeon doesn't bring, we don't really need.
     
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  6. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    This is the point that kills me. It is clear that other teams game plan to force DCU to play the ball to Fisher via their high press. This has been the case for several years with our fullbacks (and Boswell when he was here). Knowing how many touches your fullbacks get, I'd actually try to overspend on those positions yet DCU goes cheap on fullbacks.
     
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  7. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
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    DC United
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    United States
    Mora actually had more passes attempted in the offense half than Fisher on Saturday.

    Rooney did, too, in his 35 or so minutes on the field.
     
  8. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those headers were part organization, but a larger part a HUGE height disadvantage vs. Vancouver. That could continue to be a problem. We have a lot of good attackers who are short. Our outside backs are also short.
     
  9. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    #84 Eastern Bear, Jul 17, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2018
    Another fullback. Glad Rooney had lots. I like fullbacks getting touches. I just want good players getting them. Over the course of the season, Fisher has a ton of touches.
     
  10. NicktheGreek

    NicktheGreek Member+

    Feb 15, 2001
    Just can't get Fisher's image out of my mind,he's wet and shivering while McLachlan sings Angel.
     
  11. ejs1111

    ejs1111 Member

    Aston Villa | DC United
    Mar 1, 2018
    Maryland, USA
    Given our weakness at RB and LB (frankly the whole back 4), for the life of me I cannot understand why our CM (box to box) and DM have not been drilled in practice to 'show' and make themselves available everytime either of those two have the ball when in the defensive end of the pitch, or near midfield. Give them a simple outlet to allow possession to keep moving and 'ticking' along.

    It does happen- but not nearly often enough. Alot of the time midfield players are pointing forward and running away...asking for some silly 'over the top' hero through ball...which has a low percentage of completion. Then they are isolated, and left to try and beat their man 1v1 (poor choice), play backwards to the CB (safe but negative), or hoof the ball upfield aimlessly (safe but a panic play). When RB/LB do play backward to the CB... if the CM/DM have not come back to 'show' for them, then the CB has only 3 options: square pass to the other CB (delay tactic), back pass to goalie (safe but negative), or hoof ball upfield (safe but panic play). The back pass to goalie nearly always results in a hoof ball by the goalie.

    If the CM/DM don't track back and show for the back 4 to receive the ball and start the offense... all the scenarios I described above are nothing but delay options until the inevitable hoof ball occurs upfield- which concedes possession back to the other team. It so frustrating to watch when it happens- you can see it coming 4-5 passes before it occurs.

    Hopefully Rooney arriving will help improve this, but this explanation above is one example of the bad tactics and coaching DCU has been receiving. The 2nd half of our home game was very encouraging...we were playing simple 1-2 stuff, staying in our triangles, and keeping the ball moving. I'm hopeful that 2nd half 'style' will continue moving forward.
     
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  12. DC Braveheart

    DC Braveheart Member

    D.C. United
    Scotland
    Jan 2, 2001
    Oak Hill, VA
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    DC United
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  13. ejs1111

    ejs1111 Member

    Aston Villa | DC United
    Mar 1, 2018
    Maryland, USA
  14. pandes

    pandes New Member

    MU
    Spain
    Jul 8, 2018
    I think 3-5-1-1, rooney behind the attacker. However rooney still had a very hard kick[​IMG]
     
  15. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
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    DC United
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    United States
    I wasn't aware he started for the year.

    /jk

    Get well soon Nick.
     
  16. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can almost always tell which team's going to lose by the number of hoof balls the goalie's forced to make. ;)

    I think the defenders need to have the confidence to thread the pass more. I appreciate Durkin's positioning. The CDs have to trust that the DM's going to turn and take a positive touch. As a DM, I'd rather settle into space behind the opposing forwards so I can open up rather than just make a backpass to the other CD, which is what's likely to happen otherwise. He does a good job mixing it up, too. I'm pretty happy with what I'm seeing from Durkin when we have the ball. The defenders need to put on their jock straps of +5 fortitude and use those passing lanes when they're available. My $.02.
     
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  17. ejs1111

    ejs1111 Member

    Aston Villa | DC United
    Mar 1, 2018
    Maryland, USA
    hahaha... yes you are correct! I think there might be a direct correlation to the number of hoofs for the winning team vs. the losing team. :D Lowest number wins. Like golf.

    DCU needs to get their top notch analytics staff on this.
     
  18. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So we will line up by letting Rooney distribute the ball. We can close this thread now, question answered.
     
  19. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    RB problem solved!
     
  20. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's probably a better goalie than Ousted too.


    One other thing I've noted since Rooney got here is that Mattocks has been pretty horrible, whether Rooney is on the field with him or not. I'm not sure Rooney trusts Mattocks at all. I don't blame him. Mattocks is levels below the other attacking players that play around Rooney. But Mattocks was serviceable in the first few months of the season. Wonder how we can get him back to that production... It seems partially mental for him and partially our playing style that we've grown into with Rooney.
     
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