Got it, thanks. So they must be on the list before they enter college and not added after they enter college. I guess it can be read that way. Wouldn't understand why an MLS team would not have a complete roster of potential eligibles and want to add someone after anyways. All players are eligible or they are not before college. Oh well. Thanks.
The idea is that the player has to be training on a certain academy team for a certain time prior to accepting a college offer. What it means is that a player can't be on some other club team, come over and play for a month with an MLS academy, accept a college offer, and then be able to be declared as a homegrown player. It is to stop teams from just grabbing a player right before he heads off to college to just get him in their homegrown system. Kassel and White were both eligible for their respective teams before they entered college because they had been on their youth sides for a while. Dilly Duka though joined NYRB's academy only a few months prior to accepting a college offer. Because of that he wasn't allowed to be considered a homegrown player. I think that by looking at it as a "list" is where you might be confusing the issue. There isn't really a list, per se. If a player is in your developmental system for a specific period of time and meets the criteria he is eligible to be signed at any point prior to his entering the draft. He doesn't have to be added to your list, he is just considered a homegrown player and the team has first right of refusal if they want to sign him. If they don't then they become draft eligible and any team can have them. This year for instance, if NY didn't take Kassel and MLS gave him a GA contract, he would have been available in the draft, despite being a homegrown player.
Actually, there is a list, and there may not be a training requirement. Here's how New York describes the current homegrown system: "Players in the New York Red Bulls Academy will be added to the MLS home grown talent identification list. . . . Players who are on the list will benefit from the opportunity to be signed directly by the New York Red Bulls first team, as opposed to entering the MLS Draft where they could be selected by any MLS team. Set in place by the MLS in 2006, the rule is designed to provide increased opportunities for local players." We know that there used to be strict requirements for who could be put on the list, including training with the team for a certain amount of time. However, no current MLS academy web sites list any of those requirements, and it's possible that they were completely eliminated or substantially rewritten when the rule was revamped. Right now, the only requirements New York lists are: As of right now, all we officially know about the rule is that players need to get on the list prior to starting college or playing for the U17s.
There has to be some sort of 'list' or registration card or something that documents when a player started training and how many training sessions over what period of time. If I'm a professional team I want to know all my 'homegrown' players are whether they are still in my academy, now in someone else's academy, in college, overseas. Easily accessible information in an sortable format has got to be available somewhere. So I got that point. I'm not really confused any longer. Your first point is exactly what I said, that anyone who is declared to be 'homegrown' meets requirements BEFORE he leaves for college not after. Now I really want to confuse everyone. What if college player comes back from college during breaks and trains and/or plays with academy or reserve team. What happens now?
Strange, I had never heard of this list thing in all the articles I had read on this over the past few years. Though considering how shrouded in mystery half this stuff is I guess I shouldn't be surprised I missed something.
FC Dallas' Jonathan Top has been signed from their academy. http://www.fcdallas.com/news/2011/01/fc-dallas-signs-fifth-home-grown-player
i may be a bit rusty here, but they are allowed 4 HG spots, did one of their players get moved up to the senior squad?
there is no limit to hg signings..... however i was thinking about how this may work. Is it a case of you literally can sign as many as you want, or is it you can sign as many but it really means you can sign as much under the 30 man roster.
I know there is no limit to the number of HG signings, however, there are a limited number of HG roster spots, as HG slots don't count against your cap. If memory serves me right, there are 4, if you exceed 4 then 1 of those players must be counted as a senior spot. Has any of FCD's HG's cracked a starting lineup??
a more hardcore fan might correct me, but the general consensus is that Luna will get a good bit of playing time next year. Their reserve squad will be interesting to watch with all the young guys they have.
Schellas has gone on record, Luna will play a lot next year, may even being starting XI come start of the season.
ok, this is what i was curious about. Good to see the team that's signed the most reserves actually start to play some. It'll be exciting to see how FCD moves on in the future. heck, it'll be exciting to see more and more academy kids shine in MLS.
Leyva, Hernandez, Top and Ulloa have been playing for their Development Academy team this season too.
I think that makes 24 homegrown players for the MLS so far. good job. Which ones have played significant minutes with their first team? Andy Najar. Did Bowen with LA last season? Will he play a lot with Chivas this season? Seems like Luna will this season SO which one have been playing regularly, and who do you see playing a lot with the first team this season?
Chicago Fire Victor Pineda (Chicago) DC United Bill Hamid (DC) Andy Najar (DC) Conor Shanosky (DC) Ethan White (DC) Sporting Kansas City Wizards Jonathan Kempin (Kansas City) New England Revolution Diego Fagundez (New England) Toronto FC Doneil Henry (Toronto) Nicholas Lindsay (Toronto) New York Red Bulls Juan Agudelo (New York) Giorgi Chirgadze (New York) Colorado Rapids Davy Armstrong (Colorado) FC Dallas Moises Hernandez (Dallas) Victor Ulloa (Dallas) Bryan Leyva (Dallas) Ruben Luna (Dallas) Jonathan Top (Dallas) Houston Dynamo Tyler Deric (Houston) Francisco Navas Cobo (Houston) Chivas USA Bryan de la Fuente (Chivas USA) Cesar Zamora (Chivas USA) Los Angeles Galaxy Tristan Bowen (Los Angeles/ now with Chivas USA) Vancouver Whitecaps Philippe Davies (Vancouver) Philadelphia Union Zach Pfeffer (Philadelphia) Order of most likely, but haven't: Seattle, Salt Lake, Columbus, San Jose, Portland any others i missed
now with the new roster rules, i know home grown players are cap exempt, but will they continue to be roster exempt to, will they count towards the 30 man roster?
I don't see why you don't have Gerson Mayen as a homegrown player with Chivas USA. All these players were signed as homegrown players just like Jorge Flores after completing 1 to 2 years in the academy. It shouldn't matter where players come from before joining a MLS academy; those players are still progressing once they join their developmental academy.