Herzlich willkommen Karius

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by speker, May 24, 2016.

  1. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not much. The point is that I expect a lot more of Karius. And we are getting more, yes. But not a lot more.
     
  2. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Ter Stegen made mistakes at the German NT and later in the first season at Barca all the time. Still, if Neuer doesnt get fit, he'll be the no.1.

    For those who didnt know Karius before it perhaps seemed like Klopp was transferring Neuer 2.0 in when he actually was maybe two classes below. I think he still is better than Mignolet. He might not be the mega upgrade but still better. Given the money thats been paid for him it was a bargain..

    Expectations just were too high for the lad
     
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  3. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    our spine:
    - we have a WC attack led by Bobby
    - Keita strengthens an already strong central midfield
    - VVD will make the defence better.

    we now need a really good goalie - someone that is deGea / Cheh / Courtois level is needed.
     
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  4. ryered

    ryered Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    Hill Country
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'd still be a bit greedy and look for another strong MFer, holding or box-to-box type, another strong CB in addition to the new #1 keeper.
     
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  5. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Toronto
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    Liverpool FC
    yeah, midfield isn't a finished article even with Keita.
     
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  6. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    IMHO, a top quality GK and CM are the next improvements needed.
     
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  7. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator
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    Aug 30, 2005
    Sydney
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    He's such damaged goods, so much that even his current manager is throwing him under the bus........

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...wFWPKQcZIGJNP7iHEsURAcBXPewR72MPiNZWgyhnZHISs
     
  8. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Turns out they haven't paid him for 4 months. No wonder he's acting like there is something wrong!!!

    (See my post on loans thread)
     
  9. newterp

    newterp Moderator
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    Jun 6, 2007
    North Potomac, MD
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a weird situation.
     
  10. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    You gotta feel for the guy. To come so close to glory and folklore at one of the biggest clubs in the world; to getting blamed for the loss; to whatever this is. He's gotta feel like he's in the Twilight Zone.

    Not that I want him back or anything.
     
  11. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Ter Stegen is a lot better than Karius though .....
    (Still - a career derailed by Sergio B@stardo)
     
  12. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The dude got almost 3 consecutive seasons playing time at Barca. If you had given Karius that, hed be up there with him
     
  13. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    I don't think Karius would ever be as good as that..
     
  14. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    After Lehmann retired, Neuer was second/third choice behind Adler on the NT. Before Adler broke his shoulder in March 2010 Neuer was the "will never be as good" guy
     
  15. zaqualung

    zaqualung Member+

    Jun 17, 2015
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    maybe - but I wasn't watching them and making a comment about the loris Karius I've seen and the Ter Stegen I've seem (particularly his performances in the 2016-17 season, some of which were magnificent....
     
  16. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah Ter Stegen was never young makin rookie mistakes some worse than Karius

     
  17. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
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    Wow. Those were world class bad.
     
  18. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bouncing the ball directly off a strikers foot when they are 3 yards away to open the scoring in a CL final is worse.
     
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  19. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Much worse than bouncing the ball right in front of a striker to level the score in a CL final.

    min 5:19

    Barca didnt throw him under the bus. Thats the only difference
     
  20. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #95 EruditeHobo, Mar 15, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2019
    Are you joking? How are those in any way comparable? An admittedly very bad/weak parry right to an attacker, which I do agree is very poor goalkeeping vs rolling the ball right at at striker so all they have to do is stick a foot out?? One of which opens the scoring when your best attacker has gone down and the only thing that will keep you in the match is composure and a lot of focus? I mean, you can stick up for your countryman or whatever, but please at least debate with intellectual honesty, because those things aren't even CLOSE to the same thing.

    To your overall point, all I can say is good for Ter Stegen! It's good for him and Barca and probably Germany that he worked his issues out. De Gea had very similar issues when bought by Man United, and worked through them with United's help and now he's one of the best in the world. So good for them! But regardless of those guys... Karius deserved exactly what he got. He's not due more just because. He's a 4M pound signing. Welcome to being a professional.
     
  21. delaynomo

    delaynomo Member+

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    I disagree. "Controlling" a medium paced back pass into your own net (twice) is just as bad as anything Karius did.

    But I think the real point is not to debate which is worse than the other, just to point out that both have made mistakes. No keeper is immune, especially while they are still learning.
     
  22. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a worse mistake in a vacuum, perhaps... if he did that in the CL final I'd probably say we need a new keeper instead of him, too.

    But either way, this ignores mountain of context -- Karius was moved for a whole lot of reasons, and now LFC will be back in the semis of CL (probably) and might win the prem due to having the best defense in the league. So... I'm not sure what we're even really talking about here.

    Karius is gone, and that was not just a smart but a necessary move. If he gets his head together, maybe he could be an okay backup in the future? I don't know. I don't really care.
     
  23. el-capitano

    el-capitano Moderator
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    Aug 30, 2005
    Sydney
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    Liverpool FC
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    Australia
  24. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Let's wait and see if Manchester throw de Gea under the bus now
     
  25. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well De Gea is a very good, expensive goalkeeper. So that would be counter productive, and furthermore is an incredibly poor comparison to a cheap, mediocre-at-best keeper like Karius, isn’t it?
     

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