Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
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    Well, but it is good that there are so any fewer people in the South-- otherwise the uninsured number would be so much higher...
     
  2. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Don't worry. Our congressional leadership is working to make the figures more even across the country. If only they had enough votes to pass their heartless comprehensive bill...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...nblnkushpmg00000009&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    Republicans can afford to lose only 22 of their members, assuming every member votes and every Democrat votes against the proposal. With Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) expected to miss at least a week for foot surgery, Republicans could pass the bill if they lost 21 Republicans, assuming Chaffetz is absent. There is the possibility that leadership convinces a Republican member or two to simply miss the vote, and other absences on the Democratic side could help the GOP, but the rough math is that Republicans can’t lose more than two dozen of their own, and they appear to be losing more than that now.

    It’s that uncertainty that’s preventing House Republicans from speeding to a vote on their revised health care plan. While leaders seem like they could be within a few votes of passing the bill, bringing the proposal to the floor could be disastrous, particularly if fence-sitting Republicans see that it’s going down and decide to join the majority.

    Thursday was a turning point for leadership. Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.) and Chief Deputy Whip Patrick McHenry (R-N.C.) spent time on the House floor working members. But instead of flipping votes, members seemed to be walking away from conversations just as resolute in their reservations as before.
     
  3. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    I do hope the House holds this vote. Having the vote on record should help to unseat a few GOP Reps next election ... which is just 18 months away now.
     
  4. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

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    The CBO has said that they won't be able to grade this new plan for at least 2 weeks. The reason they're speeding is because they need to beat the clock. Word is that the CBO grade for this will be even worse because it's gotten closer to the Freedom Caucus position.

    I literally don't understand the GOP strategy here. They keep digging themselves into a deeper hole.

    The obvious way out here is to kick the can down the road. Create a committee to review the bill. And ultimately maybe break the bill down into multiple smaller bills that don't get as much media coverage. This way the GOP can slowly and quietly chip away at some of the parts of the ACA they hate the most. Americans have short attention spans, and this should soften some of the political blowback.
     
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  5. ceezmad

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    Because Trumps wants a big event.
     
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  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Exactly. Trump wants a bill to placate the assault on his ego.
     
  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Looks like it's going to be Trump vs. Ryan on health care.

     
  8. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    So does Trump.
     
  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Mo Brooks says that insurance costs will go up for those who don't lead good lives. Jimmy Kimmel talked about his son being born with a heart defect, aka a pre-existing condition.

    Pity the poor ********s born with heart defects whose daddies AREN'T wildly successful multi-millionaires.
     
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  10. dapip

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    Guess who's back to DC to stand up against the ACA?

    http://www.sltrib.com/home/5240044-155/after-foot-surgery-for-pre-existing-condition

    After last week's surgery on a 12-year-old foot injury, a temporarily wheelchair-using Rep. Jason Chaffetz will return to the Capitol this week to vote on the GOP's bill to replace the Affordable Care Act that could allow states to opt out of coverage for pre-existing conditions.

    Chaffetz, R-Utah, had expected to be away from Washington for weeks as he recovered from what he said his doctor called a much-needed, time-sensitive operation. But his quick turnaround — he was being released Monday from the hospital — shows the GOP on the hunt for every single vote to get to the 216 required to pass the bill in the House.
     
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  11. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    They had to take out guaranteed coverage for pre-existing conditions to satisfy the Freedom Caucus. No way that bill passes the Senate, and no way that anybody who votes for it won't be punished in November 2018. Please hold that vote!
     
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  12. song219

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    My day would have started better if I read a quote from Mel Brooks.
     
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  13. mbar

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    That Kimmel monologue really really got to me. Without boreing you all with my life story that hit home to me as my daughter was born, unexpectedly, with cystic fibrosis and his description of the horror of seeing that unfold in the hours after a child is seemingly born healthy brought back some memories I'd long suppressed. Thank the Lord we had insurance or the subsequent 10 years would have bankrupted us a ten dozen times over. The thought that someone like my daughter should be ineligible for insurance (under republican plans) because of something she had literally no control over disgusts me. As does people like Mo Brooks suggesting that terrible things don't happen to "good" people.

    What's wrong with this society.

    Edit to add, here is the Kimmel monologue if anyone is interested.

     
  14. White/Blue_since1860

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    German newspapers reporting about this too. Mostly marvelling at the fact this is possible in a 1st world country.
     
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  15. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

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    Highly debatable.
     
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  16. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    More like a federation of the likes of Swedenchussets, Califormany, Spainxas, etc but also Greekbama, Tenecyprus, Albamia and Georgia.
     
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  17. White/Blue_since1860

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    Id think so. But it's like you're playing CIV well into modern history but you havent discovered universal healthcare yet while others have
     
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  18. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    Using the words of Sir Winston Churchill, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else"
     
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  19. Smurfquake

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    Yes, but our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!
     
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  20. ElJefe

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    Settle down, Gandhi.
     
  21. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Damn right. A lot of good universal health coverage will do anyone in a post-atomic apocalypse scenario.
     
  22. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
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    One of the great quotes, imo.

    Trying to look positively on this, it does seem as though the dial has moved a little since the pre-ACA days in that we are now seeing a few Republican lawmakers (and a good chunk of the country at large) realize that not discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions is actually the right thing to do.
     
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  23. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    But they won't be able to tell you that radiation burns are a pre-existing condition.
     
  24. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
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    I don't think that will fly in any form. It just feels wrong. A good portion of Trump's most enthusiastic voters won't go for that one.
     
  25. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    It depends on if you had health care insurance at the time of the nuclear war.. If you were uninsured, then the radiation burns are a pre-existing condition that wouldn't be covered by any new insurance you purchase.
     

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