Health Care Reform Part IV: The Trumpening

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  1. yossarian

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    I did say Gardening at Night and there are several live versions on iTunes. The one I was referring to, which I had on a tape before iTunes was even a thing is an acoustic version. I scanned iTunes quickly a few minutes ago, and the one it has that sounds the closest is the one on that IRS Rarities collection.
     
  2. yossarian

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    That's a fair cop.
     
  3. :D
    You willnot believe it, but it's the truth. He got into the football world as a result of a lady KGB spy that seduced a Sparta Rotterdam doctor.
    Read this article, as it answers your questions and has that juicy spy love affair in it. Google translate it.
    https://www.vi.nl/pro/de-eeuwige-strijd-van-casper-van-eijk-met-voetbal-als-tegengif-1
     
  4. He's not just an expert. He's the world's leading expert, given those high profile patients he had.
    In that article he has a cut at the pharmaceutical companies. Worth reading it.
     
  5. Watched a Dutch investigative journalism programm about pharmaceuticals statins and cholesterol treatment.
    Very disturbing.
    According to scientists its not proven that statins work in preventing strokes and hear attacks. The "Numbers needed to treat" reflect that. It takes 100 patients to take statins to have one who benefits from it. This means 99 people take it without any positive effect, but suffer from the "Numbers needed to harm" effect, which include 1 in 50 develop diabetis and 1 in 10 muscle damage. Lowering the ldl level hasnot been proven to be effective at all, but the pharmas managed to get the guidelines be lowered to 1.8! Problem is even healthy people donot have that low level and in the guidelines for Dutch medical profession it is clearly stated scientific proof doesnot exist it matters, but still it is adviced to use that level. In fact it means that we all, if we fall into that trap, have to use that new deveolped stuff. Strangely after the statin patents were gone and the prices dropped with over 80%, the industry came up with an alternative that manages to get ldl to that low level....at the cost of 7000$ a year, while the statins (before the patent running out making Pfeizer 18 billion a year) now cost a cent a day. But those statins cannot get your ldl level to 1.8. Hence the bribery to get that level in the recommendations, so the new extortion can take place.
    Worse however is the NTT for that new drug family of PCSK9 is more damaging than the old statins, 150-183 to one with benefits of it.

    There's no proof whatsoever ldl is causing heart attacks or strokes, and those treated to get it lower have just about 18 days longer lifes than non treated people.
    The fact that inflammation and high blood pressure is the main cause for damaging blood vessels is simply ignored and even swept under the carpet by bribed medical professionals.

    Health care reform first should start with the formation of an anti corruption squad.
     
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  6. HerthaBerwyn

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    So, now that Dixie thinks they have a copacetic Supreme Court they are trying to force RoeVWade test cases. they are doing this by passing clearly non-conforming draconian laws trying to get something fast tracked. Georgia passed the six week thing. Alabama (roll red-tide...) passes an effective ban. The Alabama guy ...

    Republican Senator Clyde Chambliss argued that the ban was still fair to victims of rape and incest because those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant," a statement that garnered a mixture of groans and cackles from the chamber's gallery.

    This leads me to a solution all can agree with and one that is actually a boon to the doctors. -----Monthly precautionary subscriptions---Come in every month for a certainty check. If anything needs cleaning up it can be done without the patient ever having to know. Everyone is satisfied.
     
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  7. superdave

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    Wait, what?
     
  8. Yoshou

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    Wild stab is that maybe the law doesn't ban "morning after" pills.
     
  9. superdave

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    No, look at the exact words there. You can only get an abortion if you don't know you're pregnant. Why would a woman get an abortion if she didn't know she was pregnant? There's got to be a mistake in the quote.
     
  10. Yoshou

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    You forget, they consider the morning after pill a form of abortion. After all, life begins at conception, not implantation.
     
  11. roby

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    An opportunity to restart the mfg of wire coat hangers! :rolleyes:
     
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  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Looking for investors for abortion clinics in legal states that border on Redneckia. We'll make a fortune.
     
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  13. roby

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    Instead of using an invasive procedure maybe we could just do a startup making Chicago pizza. A slice or two should do the trick unless you think that's too cruel. :whistling:
     
  14. CFnwside

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    Until Alabama and Georgia pass laws banning women from traveling unaccompanied by a male guardian. Or opening their own bank accounts, for that matter.
     
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  15. superdave

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    A blog I follow is speculating that the next frontier will be banning women who are or might get pregnant from certain types of jobs; working around chemicals, lifting, etc.
     
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  16. dapip

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    On why we can’t have nice things:

     
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  17. ceezmad

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    Then we have the antibiotic industry.


    https://www.economist.com/leaders/2019/05/04/the-antibiotic-industry-is-broken


    Interesting idea, a "netflix" for drugs, I guess it would only work for rare type of medicines.

    Then again, it seems like that system could be gamed, like say companies bringing "new" antibiotic to market every year to keep claiming the billion dollar price.
     
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  18. The anti biotic industry product users face the increasing risk of medicine resistent bugs, to which the industry has no solution. There's however a far cheaper solution, resisted tooth and nail by the industry, the fagen solution. Yanks should look at it, especially Yanks without deep pockets.

    Can bacteriophages be used to kill bacteria can they replace antibiotics?
    Phage therapy is the use of bacteriophages to treat bacterial infections. This could be used as an alternative to antibiotics when bacteria develops resistance. ... Phages can target these dangerous microbes without harming human cells due to how specific they are.
    Phage therapy - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phage_therapy
     
  19. song219

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    I just saw some report recently about Yanks with the deepest pockets funding research here the US armed forces.



    PS: Actually this may have been research into the use of Archaea in disease fighting not bacteriphages
     
  20. charlie15

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    Not sure where to post this, but the elections results in Australia are serious cause for concerns. I will let others closer to the region like @The Jitty Slitter comment and explain what happened there...
     
  21. Yoshou

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    Well.. the good news is that one guy that blamed the victims for the mass shooting in NZ got the boot.
     
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  22. superdave

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    A summary, please, for those of us who don’t read Dutch.
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    Do you mean the climate change aspect?
     
  24. charlie15

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    Le Labour loss in general while they were leading for most of the campaign.
     

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